how good are these fighters...really

well bute seems very good. definilty a real title contender. with the exception of kessler hes probably the best at SMW IMO. i havent seen much of the others

 

Joshua Clottey: Sound defensive fighter. Very strong for his weightclass with plenty of power, but his power is predictable because every shot that he throws has bad intentions. Possibly the best inside fighter in the welterweight division due to his size, strength, guard, and speed. Could be outboxed at mid and long range by someone who commits to their jab. Very tough, and almost impossible to KO.

Lucian Bute: Don't know enough about him to comment.

Alcine: DK.

Kassim Ouma: Relentless pressure fighter with a high volume of output. Not particularly a hard puncher, but lands with enough authority to get KO's by the amount of volume thrown. Good chin and good heart. At the downside of his career, but still a threat to anybody at 154 which is an up for grabs division.

Joan Guzman: Spectacular tallent. Superfast hands, respectable if not KO power. Practically impossible to hit cleanly, great conditioning and very agile and adaptable. An undiscovered gem.

 

Clotty is pretty good. With only 2 loses - he's one of the better Welterweights out there. His 2 loses came to Baldomir - on a BS DQ - and Margarito - whom he was whoopin his ass, until he hurt his hand. He could have been undefeated. Pretty good speed - nice defense - would be a problem for most Welterweights out there. That's why no one is really fighting him.

Ouma - always comes forward - broke the Compubox record for most punches in a round. He's usually relentless - throwing around a 100 punches around. Great conditioning - decent chin - the way he comes forward will break the will of most fighters. He'll fight anyone. He can still be a force once he gets back focused.

 

He may have hurt his hand, but he got his ass whupped because Margarito adjusted and started fighting Clottey from mid and long range.

Margarito's pride kept him on the inside for the first 4 rounds, but once he figured out that Clottey was too fast and too skilled for him, Margarito adjusted and started nailing Clottey with jabs and right hands, with the occasional thudding body shot which limited Clottey's volume of punches severely. Especially in round 5 where Clottey threw only a handful of punches while Margarito may have thrown 100.

 

With 2 good hands in that fight - Clottey beats Margarito up.

I was watching that fight thinking to myself - they wanted him to fight Mayweather.

Margarito had problems with Clottey's speed - so you can only imagine what type of problems he'll have with Mayweather. But anyway - I can't see Margarito winning that fight if Clottey doesn't hurt himself.

 

Yeah, but Clottey looked completely inneffective at range.

Clottey looks like a purely inside fighter. He uses his high guard to coarse fighters into pressuring him so they can play his game.

Margarito who has a lot of pride, obviously, played right into Clottey's hands for the first 4 rounds.

Yeah, I know, Clottey hurt his hands, but so did Margarito and neither of them had serious injuries.

Clottey also wasn't clamoring for a rematch.

I don't think anybody actually enjoy's fighting Margarito regardless of whether they beat him or not.

 

KayEpps,

I completely agree with you that Clottey was dominating Margarito until he broke his hand in the 5th round or so. He broke his left hand and his left hook is his bread and butter. Once he wasn't able to load up on that, the fight completely changed.

Clottey was simply making Margarito look slow. It wasn't even close.

 

Joshua Clottey - Defensive fighter with overrated power because he's so huge. However, his power is actually pretty mediocre. Fights strong for about 5 or 6 rounds, then fades, and will always have that problem because he's so muscular (more muscles uses up more oxygen, so it's harder to develop good stamina). Good inside fighter, can counterpunch fairly well, but will always be beaten by someone with a solid chin, a decent level of talent and a solid gameplan. You can beat him by either sticking to the outside or outworking him. Classic B level fighter.

Lucian Bute - Good conventional boxer-puncher. Power is somewhat overrated, but can KO guys with shaky chins. Very similar to Mikkel Kessler, although a bit more varied with his offensive repertoire. Chin seems solid. Normally pretty tight with his defense, but occasionally has lapses. Decent but not great speed for a SMW. Probably the best of the bunch out there after Calzaghe and Kessler, although Mundine has a pretty good claim to being better. I could see him holding onto a belt for quite a while. Not someone who will ever be able to beat the elite, but someone who should always be able to beat guys who are a level down, since he has so few real deficiencies.

Joachim Alcine - Perfectly mediocre boxer. Has decent power and is very rangy, but is pretty slow for a JMW, and doesn't throw a whole lot of punches. Sometimes can get too content waiting for someone to make a mistake and try counterpunching. Only beat Travis Simms due to Simms' inexplicable lack of desire to actually throw punches. Will be beaten by the next good opponent he faces.

Kassim Ouma - Best days seem to be behind him; just doesn't seem to care much at this point. At his best, was a massive volume puncher with little power and a solid chin who came at you at all kinds of angles and was a difficult style matchup for just about anyone. Now, his workrate is way down and his heart doesn't seem to be in it anymore.

Joan Guzman - Very talented defensive fighter. Power is way overrated - he doesn't have much, just people think he does because he's so massive. Has close to elite speed. Very good counterpuncher, and can put out very quick but ineffective combos. Has a history of hand problems, and often slaps like Calzaghe. One of those guys who's content to just win rounds and scrape by in a fight rather than demolish his opponent. Has a well-earned reputation as a runner, and he often fights off his back foot and potshots. On pure talent, he's great, but I question how well he'll hold up once he's really challenged by someone. Also, he's already on the old side, and since his skills are so great he's frequently ducked, so I doubt he'll ever be able to reach elite status before fading.

Jorge Barrios - Shaky defensive fighter with okay offensive skills. Extremely aggressive, always moving forward. Big body puncher. Has okay power, but record is padded by fighting cabdrivers and feather duster salesmen in Argentina. Can be easily outboxed by someone with good speed. When Guzman was trying, he absolutely eviscerated Barrios, but the fight ended up close because, as I said before, Guzman is content to barely win rounds and went through long stretches of inactivity.

 

I agree with this for sure.

 

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I know they say that he fades in the later rounds - but if you win the first 5 to 6 rounds - you damn near win the fight. All you have to do is steal a round here and there and that's 7 or 8 rounds in the bank.

I like Clottey and I'm looking forward to him stepping up his competition again. He's Cintron's mandatory - so he should be fighting for a title in about a year or so.

Too bad the Clottey/Collazo fight got a low as Purse Bid - like less than $70,000. I remember some ESB Poster wanting to put up money and bid on the fight - that was funny.

 

Alcine is really good. I personally think that he is better than Bute because of his win over TRavis Simms but Bute's style is more impressive and he is more appealing than Alcine so most Quebecers like Bute more.

Also Alcine's last outing was not really impressive although he knocked the guy out and won almost every round. Boxing is always "what have you done for me lately"

at 154 I would favor him to beat anyone except Spinks and maybe Dzinziruk (whom i haven't seen but i heard he's really good). I hope they make Forrest vs Alcine cause thats an easy win for Alcine with good recognition to boot.

 

I dont get why is everyone saying Clottey is huge? I mean he is 5`8.:huh

 

Bute and Guzman are from what i've seen very good. Both would beat MOST at their division, but won't get past the absouloute elite of 'em. Bute < Kessler and Guzman < Pacquiao + Marquez.