So how good could 'Prince' Nassem Hamed really of been if he wasn't such a arrogant, lazy little ****er. :rofl He started to believe his own hype. Surrounded himself with 'yes' men. Got rid of the Ingle's. Let his brothers run his career and training. Got lazy in training and rarely trained at all towards the end of his career. But what if he didn't get rid of the Ingle's and trained hard for every fight? His fighting style really depended on his amazing reflexes(and one punch KO power), he was only 28 at the MAB fight, so imagine he still had another 4-5 years before they started slowing though age not laziness. (If he'd of trained properly through out his career, that is.) If not sure myself, but i think he could of, maybe, gone to to be a great of his era and a P4P top fighter for longer. What do you gents think, without so much of arrogant attitude and with proper training and motivation, what could of the Prince done? Some vids too :good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSnAxGUqKuA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUFYtXNN0A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt_IkMTIi8E&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQ6kLhPyz0&feature=related (The finishing combo is awesome) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbBVgdF8SM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K66eZLgrPw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydP2Nv1VZRQ&feature=related
I'm not sure if he'd have done that much more in terms of beating the top FWs around that time. Of course he has the proverbial "puncher's chance" against them (JMM, EM, MAB), especially Morales who loves to war, but still, even the Hamed who trained with Ingle was sloppy with his defense and balance. Medina hit him consistently with right hands, Hamed's defense was poor in that fight and his power more or less bailed him out. He showed these balance and defense flaws against Alicea and Kelley as well. The likes of Morales, Marquez, and Barrera, these guys are much better fighters and more likely pick up on these flaws and take advantage time and time again.
I look forward to your posts Thread, one of the few unbaised, knowledgeable posters on ESB. :good. But i also think Nas chin was really never bother throught his career. Most of his KD's were due to balance than hard damaging shots. Yea, i see what your saying about Morales, Marquez and Barrera being more fundamentally sound boxers than Nas. But i also think that a fitter, healther Nas would of made a better showing of himself against MAB, and inturn against Morales and JMM if they would of happened at a later date. I don't think you can really count out that sort of fast KO power on a fitter Nas.
Naz's whole style relied on amazing reflexes to supplement a so so defence and I think he was smart enough to know that he got to an age where he was slowing and becoming to vulnerable. It is a shame because he had devastating power and to be come a true great he just needed to dedicate himself and re-invent his style to give hem self the longevity to continue to be competitive at the elite level.
We probably saw his best. He could non-elites with consistency, but a Barerra-type (not that there are many) foil him.
Thanks, and most of the time that's right. Sometimes I get bored and bash fighters just to get a rise out of people. The reactions can be amusing at times. It's not really the chin where I see the problem with Hamed. It's the fact that he got hit with those shots and went down in the first place. It was him being sloppy and doing bad things in there, like leaning back when Kelley first dropped him. He had very good reflexes, but it's still hard to do things that unorthodox and not pay for it against top notch professionals like MAB, Morales, and JMM. It's not just the flash KDs I'm thinking of, I'm also thinking about how often Medina was able to hit Hamed when Hamed is viewed to be around his peak; young, with Ingle, real fast reflexes, probably not yet fully spoiled and satisfied by the good life. I know Hamed wasn't in the best of shape and had confusion in the corner against Barrera (and I did give him 3 rounds, although they were close rounds), but one thing I noticed was the Zab Judah/Mike Tyson-esque "look for one shot" when he was losing. Sort of going into a shell and just hoping for one big shot to save them. Say it's a peak Hamed falling behind against the precision counter-punching of Marquez or Barrera. Will he be more able to make tactical adjustments to get back in the fight? Or again seem to fall into that shell and look too much for one punch? Other power-punchers (Foreman, Tyson, Trinidad) like Hamed have seemed to at one point to have fallen in love with their power and not looking at the right things to get them into the position to land those great shots.
I think Frank Warren is to blame. Being fed a steady diet of 2nd raters lead to complacency on his part. If he lost earlier in his career, he might have gotten the wakeup call at the point where he would have been fired up to live and train like a champion. Imagine if he had fought Barrera or Morales right after he beat Medina. I think we would have seen another great rivalry in their primes.
I'm sort of the opposite, i try to make all my post/threads fair and unbais, but i get very annoyed by idiot posters.(I know, i shouldn't be posting in forum then. ) Be it haters with no real reason for the hating. (Like MrPR hating endlessly on Calzaghe with only saying he's the most overated boxing ever.) Or over-the-top fans who love their fighter and won't listen to other opinions/reason. (Like Mayweather fans who can't see anything wrong in him fighting a super featherweight/lightweight) Yea, looking at it that way, i'm not sure he could. But i don't think he fell in love with his power, i think he was in love with his power from the very beginning. And maybe if Brenden Ingle was telling him how to get back into the fight between rounds, would the Prince listen? Or would just be consentrate on landing the big punch?
He has a lot of decent but not great wins...that next level of fighter, the EM, MAB and JMM level he just wouldnt have been good enough to beat IMO...at any point of his career. An excellent and unique fighter in his prime.
Yea, didn't think of that. Maybe a loss earlier may of stuck a rocket up his ass and sent a shock to the system. :think
Hamed/Calzaghe had similar reigns at their weight divisions. Hameds though was more impressive in terms of Quality of opposition where he fought them and how he dispatched them. Clazgahe edges slightly higher than NAZ because he has a win over an ATG (though well past it) Hameds only ATG on his Resume was a loss but he faced him in his prime. I put Hamed up there with Donald Curry etc as an unfullfilled talent who was an exceptional fighter when at peak. (it took an exceptional fighter to beat him) I think he would have beaten Morales, had a good chance vs Marquez (wh lost to Norwood),
