How good do you think Moorer could have been?

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  1. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hey guys, always been a fan of Moorer but as seems to be the case with many a boxer he seemed to let emotional and personal issues affect his professional career.

    So I was wondering how much further you think he could have gone had he not lost to Foreman (what fights should he have taken, who would he win/lose against), and where would you rank him had he got there?

    Also, what you think of him at present?
     
  2. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Moorer must be one of the most under rated fighters ever, even this thread is under rateing, He Was Lightheavy world champion After something like 10 fight, made 8 defences, never lost at the weight, then moved up and become the first ever southpaw world champion beating all time great evander holeyfield, moorer was in some classic heavyweight battles against bert cooper (one of the most excting heavyweight fight of all time) frans botha and jirov. After loseing the heavyweight title he then went over to germany and beat axel schulz and become a 2 time heavyweight champion, also alex schulz had been robbed against foreman, but moorer went over to germany and beat him in his own backyard. How about a thread about how good and under rated double m was?
     
  3. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very true, though I don't like to think i'm under-rating (I personally think very highly of him), however given that this is a classic boxing forum I assumed people wouldnt need telling about his acheivements.

    In regard to your points though, playing devils advocate, he does take a lot of stick for the quality of opponents he faced, and that, as stated, he never lived up to his potential (they key issue being that many thought he could have been utterly superb, whereas he seemed to eek out a career that we would say is "pretty damn good").
     
  4. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    to behonest i dont think he could of done much more than he did, maybe a belt a cruserweight
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Moorer was a good solid fighter. Very good technician who threw one of the most difficult combinations very well, which was the hook off of the jab and his jab was a good one. The problem with Moorer was that he always fought very flat footed, plodded, and tried to block punches rather than slip them. With his shaky chin and being in the heavyweight division that would have always spelled bad news for him, and probably why he was on the deck so much.
    I think he did pretty well. He seemed to fight with a lot more intensity at LH than heavy, but I dont think he would have ever gotten past the better fighters like Lewis Tyson, Bowe, or the bigger punchers, because he was there to be hit. Technically he was better than most of the contenders of the mid to late 90's. I remember when they announced Tua Moorer, all I could say was why??
    Today Moorer is getting pretty heavy. Last I saw of him, he looked pregnant. I hope he doesnt fight again.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Pay no mind to anything St. Boxing ever says on any topic. He's an autistic pre-teen who knows absolutely nothing about boxing aside from whatever article he's just looked up to respond to threads. He even had a second account where he did nothing but plageurize articles to pass himself off as some kind of historian. I'm surprised he didn't mention Fahrenheit 911 or Bowling for Columbine when you posted this thread.
     
  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Moorer seemed to have a pretty solid chin at 175.

    I reviewed his fight against Jirov as well as his LHW fights recently and you don't see too many fighters with as much confidence in their punching power. He could be losing every round big and pull off a KO win in the last four rounds.

    Leslie Stewart threw everything he could come up with at Moorer yet Moorer kept plodding forward.
     
  8. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Moorer could have done more at light heavy, but i think he overachieved if anything as a heavyweight.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think he achieved everything he could in beating Holyfield for the HW title, thats the highlight of the sport and hes lucky he got a shot at someone he matched up well with and someone who wasnt at their best.

    He should have beaten Foreman really and if he was in better shape could have stayed away from that right for the 12rounds. Or maybe he should have just faced powerpuffs and been a sacrifical lamb for Tyson. Moorer just doesnt match up well against big punchers at HW so he wouldnt stand much chance against

    I suppose he could have had a better 'legacy' if he got the big fights at LHW and won a cruser belt but not many men can claim to be the Real HW Champ, Moorer is 1
     
  10. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I don't understand the thread title. It sounds asif he died in a car crash before reaching his prime, or something. He was as good as he could've been.
     
  11. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think the loss to Foreman would probably be the one black cloud that hangs over his career, and one I think he is very bitter about. It was supposed to be an easy payday and a voluntary defense, and he just made a mistake after winning the entire fight. Other than that I think your right, he was as good as he couldve been.
     
  12. cotto20

    cotto20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats rich comeing from you, you post nothing but crap, and always go back on what you say, you also always agree with the older posters as you know they know your a fraud who does not no nothing him self, so you dont like upseting them incase they expose you for the fraud that you are
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he was as good or close to as good as he was at LHW at CW we'd be talking about him as one of the better fighters of the 90's at the higher weight classes.
     
  14. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Yeah well, the Foreman loss IS part of his career and he let it happen. The "he was winning every second until he got caught" thing has become a bit of an exaggeration for dramatic effect, too. I know you didn't phrase it like that, but i often hear it. Foreman was landing right hands all along. Not that many, but they were making impact. A little bit like Chavez vs Taylor.

    But facts that Foreman never stopped a noteworthy opponent during his comeback fight (sorry, a coked up, 3 year inactive Cooney doesn't count), yet he knocked out Moorer with a single punch. Morrison outboxed (yes, outboxed) him. Schulz should've gotten the win over him. Stewart ran him to a draw in my opinion. But Moorer got knocked out.
     
  15. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Back in the early to mid-90s, Michael Moorer was maybe the best technically skilled heavyweight on the scene...... BUT! Moorer had TWO major problems.... 1.) Moorer was lazy and never truly found his peak heavyweight fighting weight.... I think 214 pounds was it......... 2.) Moorer wasn't physically durable at 210 + Pounds; his jaw was bad / so-so..

    Now, yes, I know that Moorer was 214 for Holy in his '94 title winning fight, but it was too bad that Moorer never was able to maintain that weight...... Moorer was 222 pounds for Foreman six months later..........

    I gringed hard when Moorer stated after kayoing Vass Jirov on cable back in 2004 and he was 247 pounds when he said his trainer worked his ass off in camp.... 247 was nowhere near his best weight, even at age 36.......

    MR.BILL