How good is RJJ at the moment? Is there a chance calzaghe makes him look silly?

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  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How good is RJJ at the moment?

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    Tarver KOs Jones over 4 years ago

    "One Word Describes Calzaghe vs. Jones-WHY?

    By Ron Borges

    But as for the 39-year-old Jones, it’s an undeserved back door chance at another title and a serious payday far in excess of what he deserves for beating up a sad shadow once known as Felix Trinidad in his last outing.

    The fact of the matter is Jones has lost three of his last six fights and those are the meaningful ones. Yet you can bet the hype before he faces Calzaghe will be that he’s on a three-fight win streak. That’s accurate but not reflective of the truth because what does it mean when you are stopped twice, by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson, then lose a decision to Tarver by a wide margin and come back to outpoint Prince Badi Ajamu, Anthony Hanshaw and Trinidad?

    Ajamu was far from royalty in the ring, Hanshaw has become the boxing definition of the word disappointment and Trinidad was simply an old man trying to re-live his youth. So what it means is that Jones hasn’t had a significant victory over a serious opponent since he outpointed then WBA heavyweight champion John Ruiz five years ago. That, of course, assumes you considered Ruiz a serious opponent, which most folks did not. That’s why Jones was the betting favourite.

    You may have noticed absent from that list is Jones’ “victory’’ over Tarver in their first fight, a majority decision in which two of the three blind mice were not only in attendance at ringside but in the employee of the Nevada State Athletic Commission at the time - as judges.

    If you discount thus dismiss the first Tarver “win’’ as nonsense and dismiss Ruiz as a less than formidable champion you have to go back pretty far to find the last time Jones actually fought anybody. In truth, Roy Jones, Jr. is a guy who made a career out of beating up second tier fighters ever since he dominated James Toney on Nov. 18, 1994. After that he knocked down and beat up every form of municipal worker (a cop, a fireman, a trash man, a mail man, a bus driver and a school teacher). How he missed a cab driver we’ll never know.

    While it is true Jones is the first former middleweight champion in 106 years to move up to heavyweight and win the title so attention must be paid, had that fight not happened five years ago it might say something about him today. A half a decade is a long time however, especially when you’re now 39 1⁄2 years old and haven’t beaten a formidable opponent in years.

    Tarver beat him twice (many believe it was actually thrice) and became the first man to knock him cold but we’ll leave that for another day. The KO losses to Tarver and Johnson and then a third fight with Tarver in which he was utterly dominated and not competitive and later implied he’d tanked the outcome to prevent his estranged father, Roy, Sr., from getting any credit for training him back to victory. Oh, and did we forget the positive drug test in 2000 for androstenedione, which was a banned substance at the time according to IBF rules? He avoided punishment there as deftly as he avoided Hopkins, Toney, Tarver and Michalczewski for all those years so give him one thing – he’s elusive."

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    Jones was being beaten easily by Johnson, RJJ was throwing 20 punches a round then got KO'ed.


    All the while just 9 months ago Calzaghe beat Mikkel Kessler very convincingly, to unify the division; the latter rounds was a pure one sided affair. Just 2 years ago he absolutely brutalised Lacy. The Calzaghe fan boys may state he's miles off his prime, but I think that's just an early excuse. Joe's all round boxing has improved with age and there's an argument he's as good a boxer now as he ever has been. No boxer way off their prime (no matter how good) beats Kessler convincingly and even a 43 year old Hopkins; neither do they demolish Lacy.

    There is a chance Roy Jones could be made to look silly here. Throwing 20 punches a round, as he did against Glen Johnson 4 years ago; is not going to beat Joe Calzaghe.
     
  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Very good stuff. Excellent and honest.
     
  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    If anyone is going to be made to look silly in this fight, I have a feeling it's going to be Calzaghe.

    Most people are completely writing off Roy Jones Jr.

    That doesn't sit well with me. How many times in history have we seen the old dog find a new level when everyone else counted them out?

    Roy Jones Jr has enough tactical nouse left to find a way to win, that's what makes me intrigued in this fight.

    Calzaghe isn't the puncher that Tarver was and Jones Jr has also had another few years to get over the effects of weight loss.

    I would not be entirely surprised if Jones Jr came out and won.

    I think anyone writing him off is just systematic of what boxing is today, a reason to hate, not a reason to appreciate.
     
  4. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Even though I love those KO clip's...and Boy do I.
    Calzaghe does not posses the power to make that a repeat.
    let alone at LHW, If Calzaghe underestimates Jones jr.
    it will be the 10Rd. and Calzaghe will need a Knockout in CHMP rounds to win.

    Jones Jr. by decision.
     
  5. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was throwing less punches (4 years ago) against Glen Johnson then even Bernard was a against Calzaghe. He was down on the score cards, doing nothing, then got knocked out cold. He was in his mid 30s then, not 6 months off 40.
     
  6. zarman

    zarman Guest

    yes its possible jones wins but highly unlikely.
     
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    jones by stoppage or ud
    counters off the ropes all night
     
  8. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Glen Johnson has more power behind his punches than Calzaghe does and is also less open to being countered than Calzaghe.

    Age doesn't matter for a guy as well conditioned as Jones Jr - weight loss does. He had come down from a weight, been starched once before and had another tough fight immediately after.

    Why was Tito or Hanshaw, despite landing punches, unable to stagger Jones Jr?

    I believe true boxing analysts won't write Jones Jr off in this one. People who are quick to doubt will, mostly as a way of saying "I told you he was a shot bum" in the event of Calzaghe winning.

    As they have done since the Lacy fight.
     
  9. jimmie

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    Wow that article is horrible.
     
  10. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But it's not just KO's.

    Tarver totally outpointed him in there other fight as well. I can't see Jones movement improving 4 years on from that.

    Watching the recent TIto fight, there was nothing to suggest there was any of the old Jones there, imo.
     
  11. Words

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    Roy Jones by KO. Always and forever, Jones is just the superior fighter.
     
  12. jimmie

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    Ajamu was far from royalty in the ring, Hanshaw has become the boxing definition of the word disappointment and Trinidad was simply an old man trying to re-live his youth. So what it means is that Jones hasn’t had a significant victory over a serious opponent since he outpointed then WBA heavyweight champion John Ruiz five years ago. That, of course, assumes you considered Ruiz a serious opponent, which most folks did not. That’s why Jones was the betting favourite.
    You may have noticed absent from that list is Jones’ “victory’’ over Tarver in their first fight, a majority decision in which two of the three blind mice were not only in attendance at ringside but in the employee of the Nevada State Athletic Commission at the time - as judges.

    Ron Borges is obviously calling Jones-Tarver 1 a robbery which is downright laughable. Jones dominated that fight in the center of the ring making Tarver look silly. Tarvers only moments of success where when a severly weight drained Jones need a rest and went to the ropes to give the rounds a way. Jones beat Tarver like a drum in the Championship rounds. Most agree Jones won about 8 rounds or 7 at the fewest.


    If you discount thus dismiss the first Tarver “win’’ as nonsense and dismiss Ruiz as a less than formidable champion you have to go back pretty far to find the last time Jones actually fought anybody.

    Ruiz wasnt a formidable opponet ? The guy was a Champion at a weight class that Roy had to stack up 20 ibs of muscle just to compete at. Fighting a 230 pound opponet isnt normally going to be easy for a guy who started at 160. Ruiz was the WBA Champion and had and has since beaten many former Champions or contenders like McCline,Oquendo,Holyfield,Johnson,Rahman,Golata. So yeah id say the guy is pretty formidable.

    In truth, Roy Jones, Jr. is a guy who made a career out of beating up second tier fighters ever since he dominated James Toney on Nov. 18, 1994. After that he knocked down and beat up every form of municipal worker (a cop, a fireman, a trash man, a mail man, a bus driver and a school teacher). How he missed a cab driver we’ll never know.

    Noboddy in boxing makes a name of beating up cops,firemans ETC. Boxing fans will give you complete **** and no respect for that. Roy did fight a police officer yes but that is it.

    Tarver beat him twice (many believe it was actually thrice) and became the first man to knock him cold but we’ll leave that for another day. The KO losses to Tarver and Johnson and then a third fight with Tarver in which he was utterly dominated and not competitive and later implied he’d tanked the outcome to prevent his estranged father, Roy, Sr., from getting any credit for training him back to victory. Oh, and did we forget the positive drug test in 2000 for androstenedione, which was a banned substance at the time according to IBF rules? He avoided punishment there as deftly as he avoided Hopkins, Toney, Tarver and Michalczewski for all those years so give him one thing – he’s elusive.

    Everyone knows Roy tested for a substance dubbed legal by most and it was for a leg injury I seriously doubt he thought he needed performence enhancers for Richard Hall. He avoided Toney,Tarver and Hopkins ? WTF. Toney got his ass kicked so bad he never deserved a rematch. He fought Tarver 3 times so what was he avoiding a 4th fight. Hopkins ? he beat him easily with 1 hand once but Hopkins wanted him to drop 2 weight classes and fight a 50-50 split hell no agian 60-40 get your ass kicked. DM wasnt the # 1 p4p fighter in the sport if anyone shouldve been fighting in the others home country it was him but he refused. Jones isnt stupid he wasnt going to allow himself to get robbed agian.
     
  13. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is very tough on Roy I agree. I cut a lot of it out because it was pretty long; just kept the stuff about the past fights.

    Here's the full artical...

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  14. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That 4 years ago..get over it ! It's been discussed repeatedly...
    We can also make a case that Calzaghe looked no where near against B-Hop, the brilliant fighter he did look against Kessler...
     
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    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just a quick reminder to those who think Ruiz wasn't a serious opponent for RJJ... I hope you believe Holyfield was a very good heavyweight...but he fought Ruiz 3 times and only won once !!

    Let's not underestimate Ruiz even if he's boring and likes hug fests !