How Good is Roach at TRAINING?

Roach is overrated, he's fighters is all the same, they can't adjust..

But with that said he is a great trainer... Better than Richardson but not better than Manny

 

He did put some new skills into emmanuel, but those improvements were shown up by Juan. It wasn't as drastic as made out to be by the hype machines. They sure fooled quite a bit of people into believing emmanuel has become some kind of technical boxer. Even roach himself says emmanuel would have been a good fighter, roach or not.

 

All his fighters seem to be lacking a inside game or defense.
He does teach good offense and seems to have good gameplans.

But that said i don't think hes remotely on the level of a Steward whos fighters are much better rounded.

 

I actually do think he made quite a bit of technical improvements.
Problem with that is he thought he could box vs a master boxer which just makes him look even worse.

But vs more crude fighters his boxing ability does seem to help him.
Mostly on avoiding punishment and settingup his shots.

But yeah Manny trying to box JMM was almost like Gatti trying to box Mayweather, just a terrible idea.

 

He is a better matchmaker than trainer, most likely.

 

The Wildcard has just had a bad 18 months, and as usual, this means trainers/fighters are exposed and overrated. Never mind the good work that had been done before then, and the fact that all positive things do eventually come to an end, or that, like a lot of things in life, nothing is perfect and people do have Achilles' heels in some way or the other. Nope. It's because Roach is a dumb trainer. :roll:

I honestly don't think he has been that overrated. It's just that, because of his success, he's being looked upon with a lot more scrutiny now. People forget that he trains so many high-profiled fighters, and so keeping an undefeated set of runs with all of them, is obviously going to be a harder task than managing just one or two. Especially when a lot of those fighters have huge flaws out of his control - flaws that are there to be taken advantage of by any half-decent puncher. Talking mainly about Khan and Linares, here.

 

Problem is when ceirtan flaws become a pattern in almost all these high profile fighters that he has been training for a longer period of time.
When they all have the same issues you can trace that back to the trainer.

 

When referring to the flaws, I was mainly talking about the fragile nature of Khan and Linares. Their defence and inside fighting wouldn't be that much of an issue of they weren't so easily broken. If they were as tough as an average fighter should be at that level, I'm pretty sure neither of them would have fell victim to Peterson and De Marco. Khan was zapped of energy by the 3rd round because he couldn't take Peterson's punches, and Linares saw all of his good work go down the drain because of his paper skin.

Pacquiao's the only durable guy Roach has got, and none of his struggles are highlighted by bad defence or poor inside game. When Mosley and JMM made him look bad, they did so by being defensive and controlling the range

But that's not to say that Roach's weakness is not inside fighting and defence. Because evidence suggests it is. It's just that this weakness seems to be magnified 10x over when it's being exhibited by fighters that as fragile as Khan and Linares, because, quite simply, the result of them being on the end of punches is far more damaging and noticeble than a normal fighter with a normal punch resistence.

 

People talk about "defense" so broadly. Defense is footwork, an effective guard, and effective upper body movement. It's clear that when his fighters have glaring flaws going in, he'd rather have them avoid those scenarios in the first place leading up to a fight, rather than reinforce them. It comes back to bite them in the ass at times at the elite level, but Manny rarely finds himself on the inside due to the constant drilling of his footwork; Khan hardly ever finds himself in range to get hit flush consistently; Linares used to maintain range well enough to avoid shots like the ones he took last night.

I think Roach can be blamed for certain strategic faults, but his fighters sometimes stray from the disciplined teachings he tries to give them, I feel. Linares could have fought much smarter than he did, as could have Khan against Peterson. Manny has always had a wild streak in him, but Khan and Linares are still young. It's hard to say just how far they'll go, but they've got time. His top fighters are still some of the most complete and technically sound fighters around their weight classes.

 

:deal

 

Roach teaches good offense (not spectacular) but the defense department is lacking.
All of his fighters are well conditioned because of Ariza. They know how to put punches together but they lack basic defense.

 

This actually seems to be the essence when it comes to Roach stable fighters.
Instead of working on their weakness he teaches them how to avoid it which is succesful to a extent.
Once they get into with a very good up to a elite level fighter though they can exploit these weaknesses

I think Roach would be better served to adress these issues instead of masking them.

Who knows though maybe he was working with Khan on a inside game till he just said "**** it this is never going to work".

 

He does a little better with fighters that have a basic skill set. He's good for enhancing offense and how to put that offense into motion. I think a lot of his advice is more along the lines of how to get the fighter to re-establish their game plan rather than ad******g to others and it's harder for his fighter if they can't get back into their fight.

 

Roach pumped up Mannys game after he had the draw with Marquez but basic things like cutting off the ring should be taught from the beginning.
My trainer gives me **** every time i just chase someone in sparring.