How good is the "average" pro fighter?

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  1. gerryb

    gerryb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    potentially you could run into a guy with a low ranking,say 900th+ who hits like a truck though correct?
     
  2. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    Highly unlikely. Having that kind of power would be enough all on its own to put him in a much higher ranking tier. The guys you’re talking about probably have basic training, little in ring experience and subpar athletic traits. They’re in it for the paycheck. Nothing more.
     
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  3. TFP

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    the various weight classes don't have equal amounts of depth, eg world #700 light or welterweight would be likely pretty useful, #700 heavy, not so much, #700 minimumweight, forget it (just using boxrec here)

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    more generally though, as already pointed out, boxing isn't like, say, chess, where you could go that far down the rankings and find a guy with a very accurate rating calculated on the basis of hundreds of matches against similarly accurately rated opposition.
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    get down anywhere near that low in boxing and you could almost be talking about anything, eg a skilled, experienced, journeyman who earns a respectable second income from boxing and can be relied on to stay on his feet and give a good workout to a prospect; someone just dipping their toe in the water, who's barely ever fought before and probably won't again after losing tonight, a (modestly promising) up and comer, etc etc.
     
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  4. gerryb

    gerryb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    look forward to your career blasting through the ranks mate. Failing that umm look forward to your career in hypothesising. Just as a side note,i come from a small country,and my limited knowledge it seems only the very best from here get the opportunity to go to the states and turn pro. Food for thought?
     
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  5. Bujia

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    Why do you have to turn pro in the states? What country do you live in?
     
  6. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The regular guy in a boxing gym will mush the average Joe. And I mean the guy who just trains for the fun of it, not for any competition(amateur or pro)

    It´s like playing any sport against someone who plays it daily. You will get you ass kicked more often than not.
    Now imagine going up against someone who is a professional.
     
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  7. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're right. Even just the practise will make you a cut above. I rememebr there was a time when my little brother used to play billiards regularly. When he played on pool tables he was a shark - just from practising on a higher level.
     
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  8. davidjay

    davidjay Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Phil Taylor (probably the best darts player of all time) said that you need 10,000 hours practice to become a pro in his sport. Add up the gym time, road work and sparring from when you first take up boxing and that's probably not far off what's required to be a decent-standard professional.
     
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  9. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That game is insane. The things actual pro´s can do is nuts.
    I have a buddy who bowls on the regular. It´s pretty much pointless to play against him. It´s him at the 1st place and then everyone else is fighting over number 2. And this is because he just goes there every now and then.
     
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  10. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This. I love boxing and there are some very talented people in the sport, but I’ve also seen my fair share of shady trainers sign off on some of the most unqualified people you can imagine to become pros for a little money. This is also the case with becoming a professional boxing trainer, which at least in California is open to literally anyone and it shouldn’t be.
     
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  11. pistal47

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    It all depends on the fighters. I've seen very good amateurs have horrible pro careers and rank lower than top half and I have seen amateurs that were good blossom and come into their own as a professional and be a much better fighter and continually get better. Also, it depends on the area. Gyms that Compete in NY Metro for Golden Gloves and gyms out of Philly and Reading, PA. put out MUCH BETTER talent and much more of it than somewhere in Kansas. Southern California amateurs would acquit themselves probably best of all, because as amateurs they have the most fights by far, I mean they have amateur fights once a week out there and sometimes more, whereas if you're highly active on the east coast you're gonna have to travel extensively to fight every two weeks.
     
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  12. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I Stopped a kid in the amateurs who was on the Navy boxing team and was 14-6 as a pro, not sure what his record is now. And he has fought a lot of big name fighters and some champions. And I was never a pro.
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

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    Good enough to send the vast majority of this board to the morgue.
     
  14. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The 10,000 hour rule holds true in everything.
     
  15. Badbot

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    The 10,000 hour rule is BS. I can´t remember the specifics but it´s and interesting rule.
    But the idea stands. It takes a lot of practice to get good at something.
     
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