How good is Vasyl Lomachenko?

I am guessing you're not very good at reading...I am not sure how to convey my message using emoticons, so I will just bold the letters to help you out:

I am not saying he is the only one, I believe everyone at the top level is using peds. However, being an american, he has access to newer, harder to detect stuff.

makes sense?

But if you wish to make it a country thing, I have this to say: Americans are the highest paid and incidentally the most frequently caught ped users in the world. At this moment, the list of A class boxers known to have been using peds includes such names as James Toney, Shane Mosley, Roy Jones, and those are STARS, under constant attention and scrutiny. And the only one of them to actually test positive was JT, the other two were proven to have been using indirectly, as they have PASSED ALL THE TESTS, Just like the infamous Lance Armstrong.

The B and C list are much longer, but I am not mistaken, Gamboa, Love and several others were in hot water just within a year, Chavez junior was caught several times using illegal substances, and the US trained Paquao and Marquez caused a shitstorm of controversy with regards to PED accusations (Unless you believe that A-meth from philippines bull****). You have known steroids distributors/producers working as conditioning coaches, so yea, I'd say americans are a problem.

 

It is not so much having access to better PED's, but more like having experienced "guru's" on your team to get the dosages and timing right. The main monetary constraint is having the money to have yourself tested independently to establish your own levels and tolerances inorder to be within acceptable limits when the comission(s) test mean something.

Regarding Loma; He would fit nicely into the 126's.

 

Are you that earstwhile dealt_with poster who claimed PED's are nothing more than placebo's?

How's your crossfit franchise going Mr big time conditioning coach?

 

Loma certainly has quite the number of strong attributes and his experience level is very high.
The use of angles seems very impressive and his explosiveness when countering or closing distance is timed nicely.
He is not to be compared with Rigo though. We've already started seing little bits of what Rigo can do in the pro ranks and that's more than enough to keep both fighters on seperate discussions.
Lomachenko's weaknesses are also easily visible (I'm not sold on his movement/footwork and judgement of distance.. maybe even balance), so hopefully he's still open to adapting when climbing up the pro ranks and continuing his career

 

So accurate about Lomachenko but so off base on PED's while being involved with athletics. A strange dicotomy(sp)!

 

Lomachenko is too good. Only real boxing fanatics would have been following him until now. It will be funny when all that fanboy **** starts. He comes from a good era of amateur boxers, can't wait until they show up as well.

 

I may have worded that wrong. The weaknesses in his base are pretty damn obvious. He follows a line, moves uneconomically and relies too much on the same type approach over and over. That's just from the link you posted.
And I would not say his strong points are his base. Definitely not. His experience, awareness along with the overall combination of skills and stance put together come off as bigger weapons.
I can't say I've seen every single footage/tape of the guy, but more than plenty enough to be able to recognize this guy is incomplete.
He's already achived so much and his skills and experience are very impressive, but there are big overrated aspects on his game.
Perhaps the hype and fans have already put the guy in such high standards and I'm over analyzing.
Feels like Manny Pacquiao all over again

 

People may or may not be overrating him, time will tell on that one. Personally I think he will be a star when he goes pro, but of course that's never a certainty until we see him do it, and you are right in the fact he's not the perfect fighter.

To say though that footwork, movement and balance is his weakness is IMO one of the craziest things I've ever read on this forum, there outstanding and one of his main, if not his main strength.

 

I tried to re-word that in my last post. There are weaknesses (obvious to me) in his footwork, in and out movement and even balance when he can't slow the tempo of a fight down.

He has great punching technique and a wide range of ammo. His selection of punches, while either countering or creating an opening, is amazing. That alone puts him in great position for diff. angles of attack.
When Loma is in control, setting something up or picking off mistakes from his opponents, he maintains control of his feet very well and seems to be steps ahead.
His perception of distance though, (lack of control of it) IMO, causes him to lose momentum very frequently and pushes him to dart in or to a side while very unbalanced.

His workrate is def. high. That should be be a dead give away that one makes for more mistakes while opening up that often. Especially when not in control of the pace.
I did not say he won those 400 fights in the same style with the same approach. I mentioned it while pointing out the one clip you had previously posted. In fact, I've said many times that his extensive experience, having seen and beaten just about every style out there, is a huge strength of his.

I'm certain you've seen his fights with Selimov. Loma could use for more balanced tempo. where he's not always at 100mph. Fighting at that speed, one can't help but lose control of balance or make poor foot placement.
Obviously I can't point to a fight where he lost .. but you can see where his choice of action would put his base in tough spots where he could not regain control until his head was popped or met with a solid counter.

I'm sorry if I can't agree with you that Loma is as a complete fighter as you or his many other fans make him out be. I don't even want to mention the Cuban because that only brings other aspects of Loma's career that we're just not sure of yet at this time.
I hope he remains explosive. I'm happy to follow Lomachenko's career if it takes off well in the next 2-3 years. Just not dick riding it

 

His style seems simple, when you watch him he's not flashy and it looks easy. BUT he wins, wins in wide margins at that. I think he has a great career but I'm not sure he'll live up to the hype for some reason

 

Lets face it, many people look great when you are competing in triple A baseball, ABA basketball, etc. Point is his skill set might not transfer over as cleanly once he starts playing with the big boys wearing smaller gloves; opponents that are at the top because they hurt when they hit; or opponents that are fast enough to catch his purported other worldly defense (I don't see that aspect of him).

The kids talented, but likely the people riding his jock either know him, have some affiliation with him or share some type of nationalistic/regional foundation with him. Which is ok, but it makes for stupid threads on this board.

 

Because people are exaggerating his skill set against sub par fighters. Maybe he ends up great, but I don't see anything in his skill set that makes me believe I'm seeing the coming of something not seen in boxing before.

 

MJ was cut from his HS basketball team yet went on to be the greatest player in it's history. Opponent's names don't mean as much when the point of when that name is fought is what really matters. If he steps up into the pro ranks and shows the same ability to do the same to the elite fighters in the divisions, then I will start to believe. All of the other AM banter your spewing really does not hold much weight. Too many snakes and slime balls in this sport for me to believe he ended up in WSB instead straight into the real pros if he is the next coming of christ. :roll:

 

Lomanchenko got knocked out in sparring a couple times, he just won't have the resistance for the pros.

 

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