How Good Was Bernard Hopkins In His 1993 Loss To Roy Jones?

Like Marciano? Hopkins and Eubank, past prime but still very good. Jones well past prime but a tricky style. Kessler, Lacy, Woodhall, Reid, Michell, Brewer all good world champions.

Many of Calzaghes best wins came past prime too and his longevity is very good with his best 2 wins coming 10years apart

How was Veit regarding in Germany pre-Calzaghe, he seemed to be a decent stand up boxer. Did German fans get annoyed that Otke, Beyer, Veit, Darius, Rochiagani never fought (aside from DM/Roch)

 

He beat only bums and old men. That´s in the record books too.

 

You should know better than to take my posts regarding Calzaghe in here serious. That guy is a worse Calzaghe nuthugger than you are Jones´. No serious discussion possible anyway.

Veit wasn´t seen as anything. He was always in the shadow of other fighters. Never had much of a fanbase too.
Yeah, fans were annoyed. Rocchgigiani was the only one who fought the others, Maske and DM both two times. Same recently with Abraham and Sturm. At least Sturm and Sylvester fought and Ghevor fought Sturm and Abraham. Would like seeing him fight Sylvester actually.
But it´s tough too make fights when the promoters have contracts with different TV stations. Well, Universum has no contract at the moment. I´m happy about that, they srewed their fighters, the fans and boxing.

 

bodhi, Kessler was neither old or a bum when Calzaghe beat him, infact Kessler was prime when Calzaghe beat him, Kessler was 28 years old {Calzaghe was 35 years old}, Kessler had been a World champion for three years, Kessler held both the WBA and WBC versions of the title at the time he fought Calzaghe, Kessler had had at that point in time 39 fights and 39 wins, Kessler since losing to Calzaghe even managed to regain his WBC belt back by beating the new champion Carl Froch who at the time had won 26 fights out of 26 bouts.

And dont forget the 'new Mike Tyson' that all of America was raving about Jeff Lacy he was the IBF title holder when he fought Calzaghe, Lacy had won 21 out of 21 fights, Calzaghe effectively finished Lacy's career, Lacy was ruined, Lacy's corner should have thrown the towel in around the halfway mark of the fight but didnt, Lacy was never the same again physically or mentally.

What about Byron Mitchell and Robin Reid both solid World title holders in their time both the same age as Calzaghe both lost to Joe Calzaghe, both those boxers were neither old or bums.

 

Bums. All of them.

 

Oh I see you have no interest in debating you are just a sour kraut.:-(

 

Bums and old men, my friend. That´s why your men won´t be remembered. :good

 

I thought Veit seemed to pack in some decent wins after Calzaghe to be fair to him, no great fighter but seemed technically good and strong

In Britain we also missed many of our best fighters facing each other. I think these have more pride than allot of world title fights

 

Veit was quite poor to be honest. His size was his outstanding quality and he didn't even know how to use it that well. If not for his first round KO loss to Calzaghe, he probably wouldn't even be known. Brewer was his best win, and Brewer wasn't even good enough to beat a Lolenga Mock at that stage. Usually he'd scrape by average opponents with close decision wins.

 

Collins only wanted to fight Jones for the $,$$$,$$$.00

If they ever fought, Jones pitches a shutout.

 

You fail to give Joe credit for slapping his way to victory over Hopkins? In all due respect, Trampie, Calzaghe gets schooled by Roy and Nard if they fought in their primes.

 

He wasn´t bad technically but not very good either, his speed was average, his power was average and his chin was weak. He was pretty tall but not big. He was average at best. At the same level Gutknecht or Stieglitz are now.

I would have liked to See DM knocking out Maske. Never liked him. DM wasn´t much more likable but he was less fake. Sturm-Abraham would have been the other fight I´d have loved to see, well, perhaps we see this one next year. Abraham more or less is done in the Super6 and Sturm can´t run from Golovkin forever, so he may move up. Would make sense financially too.

 

I had the fight 114-113 for Hopkins. :good

 

What do you mean my men wont be remembered ?

Jimmy Wilde some experts say was the greatest P4P boxer ever, Jimmy Wilde often weighed in for fights in his street clothes, including shoes and his pockets allegedly 'full of rocks' as he only weighed about 90 lbs, the lightest weighclass in his day was 'Flyweight' - 112lbs, Wilde was always giving weight away.
Jimmy Wilde was unbeaten in his first 101 fights, this was one of the longest unbeaten runs ever.
Jimmy Wilde is widely regarded as one of the most devistating punchers ever, {no matter what weight division} thats why he was called the 'Ghost with a Hammer in his Hand'.

Peerless Jim Driscoll beat American great Abe Attell in the States, a 100,000 people attended Peerless Jims funeral.

Freddie Welsh beat Attell and Benny Leonard and got a couple of draws against Packey McFarland.

I cant say I know too many German boxers, I know Tommy Farr fought a German once Walter Neusel was his name he was quite a big shout in German boxing apparently but the Welshman KO'd the German in three rounds.

Joe Calzaghe retired unbeaten after umpteen titles in a glittering career, I think Welsh boxers will be remembered.

 

With respect Sangria, I think Calzaghe beats Hopkins at any stage of their careers, Calzaghe was retired in his head when he fought Hopkins, Joe had always been a good trainer but his father had to pull him to one side and told him halfway through camp that he was missing training and taking short cuts and that he needed to wise up, on the night Calzaghe fought one of his poorest fights for a long time, it was Hopkins big chance, if he could not beat Joe under those circumstances with home advantage and with Joe Cortez reffing and Adelaide Byrd as one of the judges { she was the one who gave the fight to Hopkins by a single point, she is known for giving verdicts to boxers from her own ethnic background, the other two judges went for Calzaghe by 3 points and by 5 points}, there was little chance of Hopkins ever been able to beat Calzaghe.