How Good Was Bernard Hopkins In His 1993 Loss To Roy Jones?

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  1. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are replying arent you :lol:, you have no respect for a great champion boxer, very sad.:-(
     
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  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes its not necessarily Hopkins wasn't ready its the fact he just couldn't get the big fights back then. If they'd thrown that Hopkins in with Julian Jackson, McClellan, Reggie Johnson, Collins, he'd probably walk away with the W, only McClellan would be a real threat to him. That Hopkins may even beat Toney at 168, although I'm less convinced about that 1
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watching that fight again just makes it more puzzling how Hopkins is supposed to be "green" there.
     
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  4. PowerPuncher

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    Especially if you watch other fights before and after
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Must admit, have only watched Hopkin's more prominent fights. What's your take on the two Mercado fights for instance? Haven't watched them, but he doesn't seem to cut a great figure in the first one.
     
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  6. PowerPuncher

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    I made a thread on this about a year ago and its ironically a similar situation to the Pascal fight

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186221&highlight=mercado

     
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  7. Bokaj

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  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Considering that the rest of the card was filled with mismatches, such as the main event Riddick Bowe vs Jesse Ferguson, it did not take much for Hopkins vs Jones to be the most intriguing fight of the night.

    I could see the odds being wrong if they were quoted by one newspaper, but they were in two separate newspapers. I don't see how both of them could get the figure wrong.

    This paper actually has him a 5-1 underdog:

    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/baltsun...eat,+Hopkins+proud+of+turnaround&pqatl=google
     
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  9. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bums and old men. :hi:
     
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  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No respect for a great champion boxer, very sad.:verysad

    If you have no respect for a boxer that won all the titles becoming lineal at the weight, you obviously have no respect for 99.9% of all boxers.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    I think he improved a fair bit. I think Hopkins was an excellent technician with indominatable will and good physicality when he fought Jones. But he's not a "wow" type of fighter yet.

    Later in his career, it's possible to see him attacking, then getting himself back into a defensive envelope before boxing out of that position better than pretty much anyone, ever. He's right up there with dudes like Duran and Moore for this. But that's later.

    His feinting, something that is generally considered important in controlling much faster opponents, has come on in leaps and bounds. But there's not a lot to point to. When I'm watching Hopkins box later in his career I just get a sense of inevitability tied to his ring generalship that I just don't get watching his earlier fights. If that's vague, I can't help it.

    If the fighter coming off the win with Pavlik was fighting the one coming of the Baptist win, i'd likely reluctantly pick the older fighter...in that fight, Hopkins looked more elegant, faster, but more predictable.


    This idea that Hopkins was "just another contender", I don't know where that's coming from really, but I do think of him as relatively green, even if he was likely the #2 MW in the world, whatever the magazines say.
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    Ok. Thanks.
     
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  13. bodhi

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    Bums and old men. :hi:
     
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  14. bodhi

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    How do you think that Hopkins would have done against prime Nunn, Kalambay, mw Toney, Rodrigo Valdez, Nino Benvenuti, Vito Antuefermo, Marcel Cerdan, Freddie Steele, Al Hostak, mw Archie Moore and Charles?
     
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  15. PowerPuncher

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    IMO:

    Nunn - stylistic hard fight for Hops at anytime with his speed/height, but Hopkins was great against southpaws, Nunn unnessarily gave up his height, has poor fundamentals and doesn't properly take advantage of his height/reach advantages. I think Hopkins could stop him late, but Nunn could win a UD

    Kalambay - close to call, Kalambay may have the edge, although Kalambay may edge him at any stage

    Toney - which Toney shows up? I'd lean towards Toney, I like Toney prime for prime, but some disagree

    Valdez - Hopkins is far more complete and varied even at this stage. Hopkins in a hard fought UD

    Prime Benvenuti - the early rounds would be close nip and tuck but BHOPS better conditioning sees him coming on strong and winning a late TKO imo, too strong for Benvenuti

    Antuefermo - Hops UD, far more complete at any stage

    Cerdan - I don't think we've seen enough of him to comment or seen him tested enough at MW but I'd tentatively go with Hopkins.

    Steele/Hostak - haven't seen enough of them

    MW Charles - Charles seems a great fighter already at MW, very fast/dynamic, a great couple of wins over Burley, without seeing him I can't pick a winner but I'd give him the edge

    MW Moore - Moore at this stage wasn't world class imo
     
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