Exactly. He certainly was elite. He was just unfortunate he came on the world scene just as Calzaghe was retiring, and at the same time as Andre Ward. Calzaghe and Ward are the top two greatest ever at 168. Almost any other Super middleweight era and Froch wouldve been the dominant number 1. Like for example the super middleweights now and in recent years, Froch would beat them all.