How good was Chad Dawson?

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  1. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still can't understand why Dawson would make a bone headed move of draining himself down in weight to fight Ward. It really makes me wonder how much better Chad Dawson would have done against Andre Ward if he had just decided to stay in his weight class and made Ward fight him at 175. He would have potentially posed a more challenging fight for Ward. That was one of the biggest career mistake since RJJ moving back down to LHW after fighting at HW.
     
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  2. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Probably just impatience. Ward wasn't talking about moving up at the time - so only way for Dawson to get back into the top PFP contention was moving down to fight Andre at his weight. I think that kind of impatience often hurts fighters - but it's usually them moving up in weight for big fight, rather than moving down. Mikey Garcia moving up to fight Spence, Rigondeaux moving up to fight Lomachenko etc.

    As for Roy, He had a set goal in mind of repeating the feat of Bob Fitzsimmons, where it was not only about him moving up to win a title at Heavyweight, but also about moving back down and defending his Light Heavyweight title again.
    I'm not sure I agree that it was such a big mistake. He still managed to beat Tarver and it's one of the better wins of his career. Probably in the top 5 at least? Would He have any success at Heavyweight beyond Ruiz fight? I think it's somewhat doubtful as well, as his athlethicism was already fading ever before Ruiz fight.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Whilst he did indeed call Dre out after beating B-Hop, what he actually said was he wanted to fight him at 175, 168 or at a catchweight. This was said during his post-fight interview when he was obviously amped up and full of adrenaline and even his own trainer said he was shocked at the time when he heard him mention moving down to 168.

    When Dawson was thinking clearly he tried to negotiate a catchweight but Ward and his team refused to agree to it even though Dawson was the reigning WBC LHW champion and had Dre beaten him, even if the catchweight was just a pound over the SMW limit at 169, he would've walked away with Dawson's WBC strap.

    There's a reason why he refused to agree to a catchweight, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out what it was. Because he wanted Dawson as drained as possible and yet despite this he still wanted the full credit for beating a 100% version of him.

    This is what Ward said after beating Froch

    'After Ward (25-0, 13 KOs), 28, defeated Froch, he spoke about his willingness to move up to fight a top light heavyweight if the opportunity presented itself.

    "I am ready to fight the best 168- and 175-pounders that are out there," Ward told ESPN.com in a recent interview. "At this point, a big fight at 175 is interesting to me. I don't want to go up just to go up. But for the right fight, for a big fight, I would go up. I'm willing to fight anyone at '68 or '75."

    And earlier in 2012

    'People ask me on the street or on Twitter when I'm coming back,' said Ward, who is expecting his fourth child with wife Tiffiney in mid-June. 'Well, I'm coming. I want Bute but I'm ready for any big fight at 168 or 175 pounds.'

    So if he was ready for any big fight at 168 or 175 why wouldn't he move up to face Dawson for his WBC belt later that year? Why wouldn't he buckle an inch and agree to a catchweight?
     
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  4. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    When the opposition is being stupid you take advantage of them simple.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Tbf this isn't a situation you can blame Ward for. Dawson didn't have to call him out and didn't have to move down to 168.

    We can say Ward doesn't get full credit for beating a prime Dawson, but Dawson pursued the fight.
     
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  6. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    Whoever advised him to move down to fight ward is the dumbest ****er of all time guy was ruined after that
     
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  7. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    He was a very good fighter but also very foolish to think he can move down to 168 and beat Ward. He might have had a chance at 175.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    He was the biggest hyped name of his era's major light heavyweight prospects trio (including Diaconu and Pascal) but in hindsight probably not the best h2h, and IMO the least entertaining of all three.
     
  9. jquest

    jquest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just remember he had Wilder legs in that fight against Ward, looked very uncomfortable like he was on stilts. I don't actually count it as a particularly great Andre Ward performance.
     
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  10. jquest

    jquest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree, that is what I wanted to see. I always wanted to see Andre Ward face a slick boxer that had speed and he managed to avoid them or face them by draining them. Wanted him to fight Andre Dirrell but that went by in the tournament. James Degale would have been a nightmare for Ward. Ward also avoided Bute

    Chad Dawson was a throwback, couldn't sell a ticket and was too brave for his own good. I'll give him props for that. He would have got splattered by Kovalev but the division was his before Kovalev came to the US.
     
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  11. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    He had some talent, could box, it wasn´t easy to hit him, but was painfully boring to watch, had a aversion to throw punches.
    The Stevenson KO was a big upset and basically broke him forever.
    He wasn´t bad.
     
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  12. FrankinDallas

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    Change the word "Dre" to " my lover" and this post reveals it's true story.
     
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  13. WildersGlassJaw

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    He packed glass just like Wilder too!! :lol:
     
  14. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Unfortunately for your fantasy both Dre and I are married to beautiful women. However there are others who would accommodate you.