Duran was undoubtably a great fighter, but just how good? Some go as far as saying hes P4P no1 or P4P top 5. Whats undoubtable abotu Duran is his magnificent lightweight reign & his magnificent Leonard victory. What about the fighters he didn't face from 135-147 though? Whats also up for debate how good his career at 154 and 160 truly were. Lightweight Reign - Excellent An extremely dominant 6 year reign but as a whole the quality of competition is poor with no real ATGs. Highlights: Buchanon - strengths - very skilled, jab, movement, tall, conditioned. Dejesus - excellent fighter - but great? Probably not, Duran showed his mantle by dominating Dejesus a further 2 times. Cervantes also dominated Dejesus at 140. Duran-Cervantes would have been a great fight to make. 135 - Who was missed: Buchanon rematch (the first fight ended with a low blow), Arguello, Laguna (could the ex-champ have had a shot) Welterweight (1hit wonder?) SRL 1 - stupendous win, the highlight of Durans careera and a masterful performance. The only criticism of the win is SRL was still slightly green but it was a great win. SRL 2 - dreadful doesn't win a round. Palomino - very good win over an ex-belt holder Who he missed at 140-147: Hearns, Pryor, Cervantes Light Middleweight Benitez - similarly sized Benitez outfoxes Duran Kirkland Laing - very skilled operator that never proved himself above British level outside of Duran. A very embarassing defeat Hearns - destroys Duran Davey Moore - only a 12 fight veteran. Needless to say a very weak belt holder despite wins over Kalule and a past prime version of Benitez who was unfortunate to break his ankle. Moore would go onto be a journeyman Cuevas - Cuevas was clearly on the slide and past prime but a good win none the less Who he missed at 154 - McCallum, Curry, Julian Jackson Middleweight Hagler - Hagler was not at his best and Duran really pushed him but Hagler did seem to overly respect Duran. Barkley - decent win BUT Barkley was not a top 5 middleweight when Duran edged a SD over him. Nunn, Benn, Kalambay, McCallum, Eubank, Bomber Graham, Mike Watson would all have whooped Duran and Barkley. BEnn took Barkley out in 1 round, Toney completely dominated Barkley who became something of a journeyman. SRL 3 - 1 sided loss at a ripe age it must be said Who Duran missed at 160 - Nunn, Benn, Kalambay, McCallum, Eubank, Bomber Graham, Steve Collins, Mike Watson Total List Of Top Contenders Duran Didn't face 135-160 - Buchanon rematch (the first fight ended with a low blow), Arguello, Laguna (could the ex-champ have had a shot), Pryor, Cervantes, Julian Jackson, Nunn, Benn, Kalambay, McCallum, Eubank, Bomber Graham, Steve Collins, Mike Watson Conclusion Durans lightweight reign was dominant but with only 2 stand out wins. His win over Leonard was remarkable but his Welterweight reign is a 1hit wonder. At 154 he wasn't top5. At 160 his sole achievement was to beat a journeymen beltholder in Barkley who got lucky against Hearns. In fairness at this stage he was a side-show fighter I have listed the fighters he didn't face not to downplay him but to show that he wasn't a dominant forced from 147-160 that some like to paint him as. He also wasn't facing and beating top fighters at either 154 or 160. He was only truly successfull at 135 and 147. His success at 135 and 147 is truly great. How good? Very but not P4P GOAT in this writers opinion.
Man you guys are harsh. I disagree. Duran fought a lot of very solid lightweights. Look at their records. Vilomar Fernandez had a win over Arguello. So did Ernesto Marcel. Duran beat both. Duran fought a lot of tough lightweights with good records, some of whom gave him difficulties before getting stopped. Beating Ray Leonard, a natural ATG welter, even once, is something very special. Not to mention Carlos Palomino, who was no slouch. We are talking a natural lightweight here, folks. Cuevas was no slouch either and Duran didn't exactly run from him or have the height and reach ad that Hearns had. He got up in his face and KO'd him. Davey Moore was green, but he was a champion and had some successful defenses prior to Duran, and if I'm not mistaken, was actually the odds favorite over Duran in that fight. Iran Barkley was no journeyman. That was one really tough, strong dude with a punch and solid chin and great will to win. Beating Hearns was no fluke. In fact, he did it twice. Barkley-Duran was a great fight in which both men proved their mettle. Just look at Duran at 135 and then look at him at 160 against Barkley, a natural 160, and tell me you aren't really impressed to see him move up that much in weight and still be able to go to war with a guy like that. I think Duran is owed more props than he's getting. That said, you make a well stated argument, but there's always two sides to every argument.
I would say no personally...but define it for yourself. If you think otherwise, i'll have no problem with that, what do you think?
OK, which ATG fighters - try to exclude those who are borderline, but sort the definition as you please - did Duran fight and beat without losing to in a rematch or the first match or whatever.
Duran was obviously relatively poor at moving through the weight, at least compared to how he was at lightweight. His reign at lightweight is all that matters, Duran was never really good enough to be SRL. Forget the first fight ever happened.
1) Robinson 2) Duran Roberto's performance in Montreal clinched it for me. I am among the apparent minority who expected that version of Duran to unify the WW title against Hearns. Forget his second and third fights against SRL ever happened.
That's what I mean - I think Duran is overated by resume because every time he came up against a top .1% fighter he got beat. Because no-one has an easy night of it with Duran - because he can stretch literally anyone from light to middle who ever fought, and you know that when you watch him - he gets overated. But Duran would get beaten by anyone else on you top 10 ww list IMO, though he might get 1/3 against most of them.
I think I'd have to agree that he lost to every great he faced. However hes slightly unlucky from a legacy stand point he didn't get a Arguello type of fighter at 135. Theres a fine line between a great and very good fighter and many very good fighters may beat greats. Its very disapointing we didn't see Duran fight at 140 against Pryor, Benitez, Cervantes because 140 may have been his best weight. Then again he may not have had the chance to take Leonard down if he got beat at 140.
DeJesus was the best fighter that Duran fought at LW and DeJesus beat him Duran was plenty ready to move to WW when he moved, he was the right size and shape.
He hadn't peaked when he lost to DeJesus and it probably made him come back better. I think hes aloud that 1 learning loss that he avenged twice. When taking a closer look at Durans lightweight resume though it looks very very thin outside of Dejesus and Buchannon