How good was Duran - P4P GOAT?

He dominated a division for a decade. Name some of the so called greats who did that. And just consider that when there is a dominant champion who beats everyone it allows none of the beaten to be considered great.

His lightweight opponents were as good as any list of opponents of any era.

His losses to the greats were when he was slowing and above, sometimes much above, his natural weight.

I would disagree that Hagler was slowing when he met Duran. Hagler had 8 consecutive KO's prior to Duran and 4 more following Duran.

 

I could give you a better argument demonstrating that the world is flat.

 

List # 1-8 please. Also, I'd like to see your measures.

 

True or False:

Joe Louis lost to every truly great HW he ever took on.

 

Ali and Whitaker are way too high... :bart

 

There's no correct answer to the question.

That's like saying that Lennox Lewis is the best heavyweight of all time because "he beat every opponent who he ever faced"....except that to say that and neglect to mention that two of those wins were in rematches after he was easily stopped, wouldn't be telling it like it is.

 

I agree, IMO Duran is also a bit overrated, but Ali and Whitaker can´t be p4p Top-10- material IMO...

 

You know, we don´t need to discuss Whitaker´s greatness, because it´s out of question, I also rank him pretty high, for me personally you just have him a bit too high, but making a p4p-list from all-times is so difficult, it´s not easy and it´s normal that some agree or disagree with such lists...

 

Are you people insane?

Duran beat everyone he faced at lightweight. His only loss at that weight was a decision loss to a guy who would be considered a great fighter had Duran not been there to knock him out in their next two fights (as well as his going to jail).

Duran was so dominant as a lightweight that no other lightweight at the time even had a chance to be considered an ATG. Buchanan was an extremely talented fighter, as were several others he faced. He was just that good at that weight.

Duran skipped an entire weight class when he moved up and beat SRL.

Duran didn't get knocked out until he fought 20 lbs over his natural weight against one of the best p4p punchers of all time.

Aside from SRR, I can't think of anyone who was a more complete all-around fighter skill-wise than Duran.

For Christ's sake, the guy as close to invincible at his natural weight than any fighter in history has ever been. He had no glaring weaknesses. He fought in 5 decades, won world titles at multiple weights, decisively beat a prime SRL, never ducked soul, and is a member of the exclusive 50+ KO club.

Overrated? He's a ****ing legend. Top 5 p4p easily.

 

You make assumptions, my friend. Duran is indeed my favorite fighter, but after a long process of deductive reasoning, not because I like his beard. He had limitations, and he had weaknesses like all of his peers. He was a complete fighter and his accomplishments speak for themselves. If you don't know that, then you should take up tennis.

I do not think that his critics out here are fully aware of Duran: his effectiveness, or his unprecedented accomplishments. And it shows -painfully.

 

And you could make a fool out yourself. Duran in the double digits? Come on.

 

Your credibility, which was high in my book at least, is absolutely plummeting with every post you put in this thread.

What is this --"he lost to every great he faced"? Is it the phrase of the day?

--Name a lightweight who would have defeated Ray Leonard.

--Name a lightweight who, at 32, could have gone 15 rounds with a 29 year old Hagler.

--Name a lightweight who could have taken the MW title against a peak, 28 year old, 6'1, 160 lb power punching champion 21 years into his career. Duran was 37, and 5'7 in shoes.

THERE ARE NONE. THAT IS GREATNESS. Now, please, stop making dunces of yourselves.