How good was Foreman`s performance v Cooney?

Really pulling out the big guns now mate. Hamer retired 2 fights prior against a guy with 13 fights weighing 221. Dimitrenko was coming off a stoppage loss to a 225 pounder and followed Ruiz with a stoppage loss to a guy with 5 fights. A bit prior to the Ruiz bout Parker knocked him out in 3, no need for any retiring in that one.

Classic stuff.

 

It was a decent fight for as short as it lasted. Foreman of course was in the middle of a successful and very well crafted comeback while Gerry Cooney got himself in the best shape he could and was working with Gil Clancy for one fight only. Gerry came out using surprisingly good footwork and popping the left jab. At one point it even looked as though he hurt foreman with some of those shots. But in the second round George closed the gap and landed some one-two combos which dropped Gerry. Cooney got back up but by that time he was a sitting duck and George just came in and finished it...

Overall it was a decent performance for George against a declined but seemingly well prepared Cooney. As for it’s historic value however, not much can be said as neither combatant held any real status at the time.

 

On the other hand, he went on the road and did 12 hard rounds with an undefeated Parker and likely would've been given a close decision had it not been in New Zealand. 70s Foreman did 12, once, and ended up getting floored by Jimmy Young in the last round (lol) and hearing God.

On the other hand, Ruiz made Joshua quit which is, frankly, a better win than any Foreman has.

 

It doesn't take a lot to know what I said is true.

I boxed someone four inches shorter and 30 pounds heavier long ago (basically a shorter, poor man's Sam Peter). I beat his ass, but I felt like dying because of how much it zapped my energy. There's absolutely no comparison to fighting someone who's smaller than you.

 

I get it but it isn't clear entirely what you are saying.
How long have you boxed?

 

Training mostly, and fought like 15 times around high school. Probably 10 different people.

 

In my experience, fighting a bigger guy takes a lot more out of you than fighting a smaller man.
You feel the size immediately. The weight of the punches. You push against extra mass. They can move you around, pull you out of position, get you off-balance.
You're constantly at an energy deficit.

Fighting a smaller, nippier guy is more frustrating than tiring. I got beat up by a smaller guy and a larger man. It's a totally different experience. Give me the smaller guy every single time.

 

I see you dropped the whole Dimitrenko/Hamer thing pretty quick once it was exposed.

You are extremely disingenuous when it comes to scorecards and have been for a long time. Parker would not "likely have been given a close decision had it not been in New Zealand". The majority of cards i have seen are for Parker or a draw. At the end of the day Parker isn't something to hang your hat onto anyway.

Not a single judge was from New Zealand btw

If you think beating Joshua was a bigger win than Foreman obliterating Frazier, or possibly Moorer for that matter you need help.

Trolling the Young fight again and again is getting pretty predictable not to mention lame.

 

I couldn't describe it any better.

 

Sit down and watch the fight. It's a good one. I had it a draw, but I feel like I was generous to Parker for giving him rounds 11 and 12. Either way, it helps both of their standings.

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Also: Find a current heavyweight who had three opponents quit.

 

Been there seen that.

You're making up criteria in your head to try and make him look better. Again, Dimitrenko was actually stopped in his bout prior and Hamer had "quit" three fights prior against a novice.

The flipside to people are "quitting" is that you aren't knocking them out or belting them to the point of a ref stoppage. It's just not cutting it particularly given the opponents had been belted before and were hardly ATG's.

 

It does not matter, Ruiz get robbed by my subjective opinion and his fight vs Parker like Parker vs A.J for me are a draw.
Depends from business hosting event and this is only fun not sport there.

A bit like the same. Foreman was underdog vs Frazier like Ali vs Liston for 1 st their fight and Ruiz was even more funny: just late replacement opponent for A corner kid and he had finished this kid.

 

I have had 5 amateur matches, more than 50 sparring sessions, trained for more than 6 years collectively, and have worked under 2 different coaches who were former champions and know quite a bit more than NoNeck who doesn't seem to understand that swinging for the fences attempting to hit a slippery defensive target in a hot outdoor environment can make you rapidly lose energy. I have also done plenty of Muy Thai and Karate, and yes, I have had to complete outdoors and have fought defensive fighters before.

I can't believe we're having this conversation. But then again NoNeck is the same guy who said James Toney could have stopped Foreman of the 90's or that the Witherspoon who was knocked out by Smith would have beaten a prime Moorer. In case you didn't notice, he isn't a big fan of Foreman. And that's ok, but the arguments he makes are often completely illogical.

 

Joshua hardly an ATG? I wouldn’t conclude that.

 

In your experience, does missing punches or constantly having them blocked or countered take a lot out of you?

What about if you're fighting outdoors in a hot muggy environment? How much of a difference does that make?

I wasn't suggesting fighting a smaller defensive fighter feels the same as fighting a big aggressive one. I was simply saying that trying to hit an elusive target and missing a lot can take a lot out of you.

And if we're comparing opponents, if you are hitting the big aggressive guy at will and beating his ass it isn't going to drain you as much as if you were losing the fight.

This is what started this debate:

NoNeck claimed if Foreman fought modern sized 240 pound guys he would look like how he did against Jimmy Young and Ali. He is ignoring the fact nobody today fights remotely like Jimmy Young or Ali, that they rarely fight outdoors, and that Jimmy Young and Ali weren't even remotely close to 240 lbs. His argument was basically that since this fight was the only example of 70's Foreman going 12 he would always look like that (exhausted and out of breath) if he had to go 12 against a modern sized guy while completely ignoring the fact Young and Ali were slippery elusive targets with good footwork.