How good was Foreman`s performance v Cooney?

Exactly.

 

Norton, Young, Ali, Frazier, Lyle, Foreman Is not shallow, is it.

Heavy is trash now, In the 70s it wasn't. Why not just go ahead and say every heavyweight ever is a bum?

 

Ali is great yes, Young could "box" very, very well for a HW but had plenty of earned losses. Nortons record is 1-2 (Maybe 2-1) against an older Ali and thats really it he beat up a worn Jerry, and in my eyes lost to Young.
Fraizer beat Ali once and who else Quarry? Ellis? Oscar? ect not relatively deep at all. Foreman was well managed, and Lyles best win is Shavers? HW is a shallow, boring, hole of a division even the most skilled HWs would make for medicore Light weights bar Joe Louis.

 

He's closer to 6'5" than 6'6".

Accurate reach for boxers is not easy to find

Foreman would crush Wlad worse than 6'2" 226 lb Lamon Brewster or 6'3" 250 lb journeyman Ross Purity. 6'4" 225 lb Corrie Sanders was nearly identical in size to prime Foreman.

You are making stupid, nonsense arguments. Wlad lost to men who were "smaller" than him. Hell he even started out weighing slightly more than 220 lbs.

Any version of Foreman would wreck Wladimir Klitschko. No one ever overpowered Foreman and no one aside from Ali knocked him out. Especially club fighters like Purrity or part timers like Sanders. Brewster was not the most well conditioned athlete either when he smashed Wlad.

Let's not make stuff up. The truth is that Wladimir Klitschko has excellent power and a weak chin. His skill set doesn't go past jab grab and then he will try and get a few power shots in. He has stamina problems as well. His reaction time isn't the greatest either. He's vulnerable to fast hands.

 

Young is the key indicator in this equation. He was a guy that "fought" like he was afraid to get hit; at least 90% of his game was survival. Yet they had to rob him against Ali, Norton barely beat him and he beat Lyle and Foreman. Now you can say that that makes Jimmy Young a great fighter but the tape of his fights would make you out a liar. So that leaves another alternative....
It might be hard for some to accept that Norton, Foreman and Lyle were big, strong guys that were not all that ring savvy. But there's a reason that the words big and dumb sound so good together and there's a reason that middleweights look at them and see easy money.

 

The guy with 20+ heavyweight title defenses is typically gonna beat the guy who only made a single defense against a guy who was over the current cruiserweight limit--and that guy had a horrible chin.

You: "Let's not make stuff up."
Also You: *Shaves an inch off Wladamir's measurements to bring him closer in size to a 6'3, 220 pound fighter*

 

He literally was pushing Frazier into the ropes using both arms. Foreman never was a one shot knockout artist.

 

This^ is probably the most careless thing I've read from you on here (and that is really saying something).

 

Very.

 

That was a technique developed strictly for the Frazier fight. He didn’t go around pushing all of his opponents. also if Foreman wasn’t a one punch knock out artist no one was. Literally arguably the hardest hitter in boxing history.

 

From what I saw, Jimmy Young (a truly fine fighter at his best) gave away that decision to Ali by hiding. There isn't a judge in the world who would award a heavyweight title belt to someone whom behaved the way Jimmy did during that fight. Yes, Ali was way past it, but it was a case of the challenger just not being of the right stuff and the judges' giving the champ the benefit of the doubt.

 

I have felt this way for ages, but I am crazy for suggesting Lyle and Foreman are all overrated and branded as a troll. Hard to accept that the 70s had one truly outstanding HW that elevated a lot of them on a pedestal.

 

Foreman shoved, prodded and pulled plenty even as an Old man he grappled and pushed around Holyfield.

 

There’s a difference between tactically doing it and being solely reliant on it. Foreman had an all time jab. A great uppercut. Could cut off a ring better then most. He was more then a brawler reliant on size.

 

Did not see him cut the ring very well against Peralta at all, What good was it against Ali? he lost like an oaf he and Young schooled him. One was an old ATG whose legs were on the way out, the other? well watch film of him and decide what you think you see.