How good was George Godfrey?

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  1. janitor

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    George Godfrey as you all know is a bit of a boxing enigma.

    He was seen as a force of nature by contemporary fighters and trainers some of who compared him favourablyto Jack Dempsey. Larry Gaines said that the only men he ever feared were his farther and George Godfrey.

    Godfreys record on paper is not particularly impresive and dosnt really tell us much one way or the other due to the fact that Godfrey often wore the cuffs.

    Lets get our colective heads together and try to work out how good he actualy was and what his strengths and weakneses were. If we pool enough contemporary acounts we might get somwhere.

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  2. Senya13

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    Kevin Smith 'The Sundowners', pages 521-551. That's over two dozens pages of contemporary sources compilation to get a good enough idea about him.
     
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    What are your opinions?
     
  4. Senya13

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    I don't remember. I only had a quick look through the book, only read fully about fighters I was interested in, like Jack Blackburn, Frank Craig, Steve Crosby, Bobby Dobbs, Walter Edgerton.
     
  5. janitor

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    Interesting selection there.
     
  6. Senya13

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    But predictable (except for Coffee Cooler, I suppose). All four met Joe Gans.
     
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    Contemporary acount of Godfrey Risko

    Johnny Risko Spoils Hopes Of George Godfrey For Boxing Fame, Fast Finish Made

    By Cleveland Pug

    Thrilling rally In Last Two Rounds Believed To Have Decided
    Profit Made In Tilt
    One Of The Few Fiancial Successes Of Summer’s Outdoor Ring Season

    Once more that pudgy Clevelander, spoiler of heavyweight favorites, doughy Johnny Risko, has battered out of the limelight a man generally picked to defeat him.
    This time the victim was George Godfrey, successor to Harry Wills as the current "Black Menace" and the man generally avoided by all heavyweights who seek advancement in their profession. To Risko was awarded the victory after 10 rounds of vicious, bruising mauling last night in the ball park of the Brooklyn Nationals, Ebbets field.
    Critics Don't Agree

    Although the verdict of the judges met with only luke warm approval from 25,000 fans several sport writers gave Risko a margin of five rounds with four for Godfrey and one even. The Associated Press score sheet gave the Negro giant five rounds, with three for Risko and two even.
    Risko apparently caught the judge's eyes with a thrilling rally in the last two rounds that had the 235-pound Negro giant glad to hold and back away from the stress of left hooks Johnny threw at his head and body. There was no semblance of a knockdown and neither bore marks of the battle at the close.
    The warfare for the most part was at close range, with a premium on clouts to the ribs that rarely bothered either battler. Risko absorbed Godfrey's right hand smashes and came back smiling for more while the best shots of Cleveland boy hardly dented the man mountain opposite him.
    Legs Bother
    In the early rounds Godfrey toyed with the rushing youngster who spoiled Jack Sharkey, Jack Delaney and others as drawing cards
    in Tex Rickard's elimination tournament last winter. But the great bulk of his frame wrested heavily on the Negro's slender legs in the last five rounds and Johnny, plugging steadily forward left hand a winging ahead to take the verdict.
    The match was one of the few financial successes of the rainy summer season of many postponements. Receipts were $51.684.

    ROUND - BY – ROUND

    Round One
    Godfrey, a smiling giant compared with the squat and pugly Risko, hammered a left and right on the Cleveland boy's body.Risko bounced his famous left hook off the negro's body and shot two overhand rights to the head- Risko stepped rather easily around the slow moving, ponderous giant, landing easily with his left, but there was danger always in the smashing right Godfrey used steadily as a counter.

    Round Two
    Risko bounced forward into a flood of left hooks to the head, that the Negro growing vicious, smashed accurately to their marks. Under the storm of blows as Godfrey threw everything into the attack, Risko wilted and the giant Negro nearly wrestled him to the floor. Risko held a. moment to gain his wind, then flailed Into the huge negro with overhand rights 'that had Godfrey holding at the bell.

    Round Three
    Risko tugged and hauled at Big George, almost pulling himself from his feet as he tried to cut the huge black down to his own size with body punches. George took to holding and countering with his right as Johnny stormed into him, throwing caution to the winds. Risko, a pigmy besides Godfrey's massive bulk, still had the courage to carry the fight to his foe. Godfrey smashed two left hooks to the chin, and a numbing right to the heart as Risko missed a wild left hook just before the bell.

    Round Four
    Godfrey, a full head taller than his rival, bored in with all his heft to plant left and right on Risko's body Risko pecked with his left and backed away, hurt by Godfrey's tremendous body punches. A storm of lefts and rights to Risko's body almost knocked the white man from his feet. There was tremendous power behind Godfrey's enormous swings. But the Cleveland rubber man, game as a pebble, shot his right to the head and kept everlastingly trying -right up to the bell.

    Round Five
    As Risko danced in, more cautious now, Godfrey smashed his body with lefts and 'rights and drew grunts heard back in the two dollar seats.
    Johnny made little impression of the man mountain with his very best blows and Godfrey's long arms easily reached Johnny's body- Godfrey belted the white boy all around the ring with an awful body barrage. Johnny was game, but mighty tired at the gong.

    Round Six
    Godfrey laid back, content to let Risko carry the burden of attack and hold when Johnny got dangerous Risko smashed a left hook full on Godfrey's chin but Big George only smiled. Like a terrier worrying a mastiff, Johnny pounded in and ran smack into a series of short rights to the head that bounced him backward. Johnny beamed to allay the fears of his admirers and came back to his corner smiling at the bell.

    Round Seven
    Godfrey nearly floored Risko with a hammering left and right to the chin. Johnny backed clear to- the ropes arms wound about his head, body crouched in protection. Godfrey let him go and shot his right to the heart as they came back to the center of the ring. Risko flinched under a left hook to the body but valiantly hooked his left back at Godfrey’s bald head.
    They wrestled and mauled about the ring up to the bell with Godfrey’s huge arms giving him a tremendous advantage.

    Round Eight
    Godfrey dueled lefts successfully with Risko, mauling and tugging at close quarters , often separated by the referee. Both slugged to the body. Risko hooked his left clean to the head twice but they were wrestling again at the bell.

    Round Nine
    Risko never stopped trying, piling into the negro with left and right swings to the head despite Godfrey's smashes to the body. Johnny slugged big George freely about the head, drove him into a corner for a steady pasting, and the crowd roared as they battled like a pair of dock workers. Johnny belabored Godfrey with both hands, slugging without defense, and absorbed half a dozen right counters without a quiver at the gong.

    Round Ten
    Risko swarmed all over the big Negro, driving him to the ropes under a cloud of swings that came from all directions. Risko buried his left deep in Godfrey's body and George wilted. Godfrey rallied swinging Risko about the ring with his massive arms and shooting his punches short to the body. Johnny never stopped trying, swinging both lefts and rights to the negro’s head. Very tired they leaned heads together and ponded each others ribs while the crowd bellowed encouragement at Risko. They were hauling and tugging at the final gong.
     
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    Janitor, I don't know how good Godfrey was...but thanks for posting that picture of Armstrong and Godfrey together.
     
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    A 1943 interview with George Godfrey

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    1st November 1943

    George Godfrey, Host at Local Club
    Was Once Uncrowned Heavyweight Champ


    During the golden era of boxing when Jack Dempsey ruled as king of the heavyweights, Harry Wills, great negro boxer, was the only man the Manassa Mauler refused to fight for the title. Wills, on the other hand, was meeting and beating all who dared enter the same ring with him all, that is, with one exception. George Godfrey, Negro and Belgium heavyweight c h a m p , known to sportswriters from coast to coast as the "uncrowned champion of the world," was the exception.

    In fact, Wills turned down an offer of $150,000 to meet Godfrey in Madison Square Garden for the late Tex Rickard. Now, even during that period when million dollar gates were not too uncommon, that was a fair night's salary for 45 minutes work. It would have netted Wills considerably more than $3000 a minute or better than $50 a second.

    There must have been a reason. And recorded for all posterity in the boxing bible is the reason— Godfrey's impressive record, including 75 recorded knockouts, from 1920 until he retired in 1937.

    Godfrey, born Feab S. Williams, January 25, 1901, in Mobile, Alabama, gained his reputation as a boxer while serving hitches in the army and navy. Weighing 240 pounds and standing a mere 6 feet 3 inches, he started kayoing all service boxers he met He not only rocked them to sleep but would break jaws and noses while doing it.

    So in 1919 Jimmy Dougherty took him under his wing and started him on a professional career. In 1920 he was elevated to main events and met Sam Langford. Godfrey was kayoed in the second round.

    That was enough fighting for Big George that year and he did not enter the ring until August, 1921, when he met Langford once more. And again he was put out only this time in the first round. And again he quit fighting for a year while Dougherty schooled him in the art of protecting himself as well as hitting the other fellow.

    Nineteen twenty-two found Godfrey meeting five fighters. He kayoed four and decisioned the fifth.

    In 1923 Godfrey met Langford for a third time. It appeared as if he was just a glutton for punishment But this time the 22-year-old boxer exploded his dynamite on Langford's chin and belted him out in the third round. Then just to prove it was no accident the pair met a fourth time in Arkansas and Langford was stretched out in the second round for the full count. And after this fight Langford, the Boston Tar Baby, retired for good.

    A BUSY FIGHTER

    Then for the next 13 years Godfrey was a very busy fighter, meeting every good heavyweight in the world who was not afraid to put on the gloves with him. And in that 13 years of continual fighting he lost only 11 fights— and five of these losses were on fouls. Godfrey says that many of those boxers claimed a foul because they were getting beat and took the easy way out.

    In 1927 there fifteen fights in the record book under Godfrey's name—and every one of them he won by a knockout!

    Nineteen twenty-eight was the year that Wills turned down that fabulous amount posted by Rickard for a Garden bout. And in 1928 Godfrey fought Paolino Uzcudun in Los Angeles. If he whipped him he was to fight for the championship. Gene Tunney had retired undefeated and there was no heavyweight champion.

    So Godfrey won a decision over Uzcudun in ten rounds.

    But when a title bout was mentioned — the boxing moguls ignored Godfrey completely and matched Max Schmelling a n d Jack Sharkey for the championship!

    Today Godfrey has picked up a little weight to a neat 357 these days. Godfrey now lives here in Long Beach where he is host at the 147,000 National Colored Elks Congo club. He is also the Grand Bodyguard of the Colored Elks. In his position as "host" it sometimes becomes necessary for him to eject rowdies from the club. To demonstrate that he has not lost too much of his oldtime vigor he showed us exactly how he 'would give the "bums rush" to a drunk.

    After applying a couple full nelsons and a double arm lock to both of us at the same time—well, we were plenty convinced.

    JACK JOHNSON IS BEST

    Godfrey, like all oldtimers, believes that the present day fighters are not as good as the boys a few years back. "Today they use bigger gloves and mouthpieces and other forms of protection that oldtimers scorned," Godfrey said. "I think; they were tougher in the old days. Tile present day fighter would not' take the punishment that was dished out by the oldtimers." Godfrey says the hardest hitter he ever met was Sam Langford, but the greatest fighter of : all time, the one that would take any of the fighters of today, is Jack Johnson. "He was the greatest defensive counter puncher there ever was," Godfrey said reverently.

    Incidentally, Godfrey says he does not go to fights any more and he would not advise anyone to be a professional fighter. "If I had a son, I wouldn't let him go near a boxing ring. There's better ways of making a living," t h e "uncrowned" heavyweight champ vows.
     
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    Contemporary acount of Godfrey Uzcudun

    The Billings Gazette
    29 Feb 1928

    Paolino Forces Fighting From Start Of Bout

    Terrific Blows of Godfrey Turns Tide in His
    Favor Despite Uzcudun's
    Efforts.

    George Godfrey, negro colossus of the ring, clubbed his way to a decision over Paolino Uzcudun, knotty-muscled son of the Basque country, Tuesday night, after 10 furious rounds that had 40.000 persons on edge throughout the battle. But the burly black had no walk away. With 44lb advantage in weight, he had his hands full from the start.

    Opens With Rush.

    The black-haired Spaniard, arms flailing, opened with a rush, but in the early sessions, was tied up by the titanic Godfrey, who draped his huge bulk over and around him to advantage. The tide of battle shifted to Uzcudun in the sixth. Beginning the round he caught Godfrey flush on the, Jaw with a stinging left hook. It hurt the negro and he retreated steadily with his smaller opponent following him around the ring. the negro landed but a couple of blows through the round.

    Fists flying, the Basque came out in the seventh to drive his opponent around the ring again. Godfrey was puzzled and hurt as the "mite" in front of him continued to bore in, meanwhile pumping both hands to the body. The crowd cheered wildly for the Spaniard as the round ended.

    Continues Offensive.

    The eighth round went the same way with Paolino continuing on the aggressive. Lashed with the knowledge, of impending defeat, Godfrey came out in the ninth to take the play away again He clubbed steadily to the face, and had the Woodchopper bleeding at the close. The tenth was another Godfrey round as he mauled and beat his smaller man from rope to rope.

    Those at the ringside credited Godfrey with five rounds, the third, fourth fifth and ninth and tenth. Paolino had his edge in the second, sixth, seventh and eighth with the first fairly even.

    Uzcudun's showing was a tremendous surprise both to Godfrey and his backers who figured his huge, bulk and clever boxing would carry him to a one-sided victory, if not a knockout.

    Mainly Body Attack.

    Both fighters turned their attack mainly to the body with Uzcudun depending on two-fisted punching in the clinches and the negro clubbing with a swooping right. During the first three rounds Godfrey loafed, content to stick a long left into his opponent's face It held the Spaniard off but he swung steadily enough to gain a margin in the second.

    The crowd was the largest ever to attend a boxing contest in the far west with gate receipts estimated at between $100,000 and $125,000.

    “Big Gawge” Unable to Hand Paolino Sleep Producing Blow


    ROUND ONE

    Godfrey rushed with a left to the body, two clinches followed, Godfrey rushed again, missing left and rights. Uzcudun pounded George in a corner to the body; he repeated, but Godfrey shoved him off. Godfrey landed right and lefts to the body. The Basque danced for an opening and took a left to body. Godfrey put a light left to head. Another clinch, and both men exchanged rights and lefts to the body they fiddled, clinched and traded body blows again. It was a slow going the Basque eager, but Godfrey lethargic.

    ROUND TWO

    Uzcudun rushed in landing a right to the body. Godfrey shoved him off and he came back. Godfrey landed two light punches to the head. They traded punches in a clinch George stood him off with his long left jabs and landed a right to the chin Uzcudun landed a right to the face and rights and lefts to the body. Godfrey landed a right to the body.

    Clinch followed clinch, the big negro apparently playing with his lighter opponent. Uzcudun landed two rights to the head and Godfrey warmed up with in attack to the body. The bell ended the round.

    ROUND THREE

    They both rushed to the center into a clinch. Godfrey crouched to meet Paolino's height andbelted the Basque with lefts and rights to the head. Godfrey landed a stiff right to the head and took a stiff left to the body. Paolino landed a right to the face Paolino landed another right to the face and rights and lefts to the body Godfrey swung rights and lefts to the Spaniard’s head and Paolino come back with a body attack. Paolino landed again with a right to the face and Godfrey came back. They finished the round in a clinch.

    ROUND FOUR

    Godfrey missed a right but rushed his man and landed a left and right to the body. Paolino clinched Godfrey landed a stiff uppercut in a clinch. Paolino landed a stiff right to the face. Paolino was bleeding at the nose. Godfrey landed two to the body They fiddled and Paolino ducked to the floor to avoid a looping right. After seconds of clinches, the negro battered his opponent half way across the ring but Paolino ended the round with a body attack and a clinch.

    ROUND FIVE

    Two clinches opened the fifth round. Both landed to the head and body. The Basque landed a left, to the body end a right to the head. Godfrey pounded him in a clinch Godfrey landed half a dozen blows to the body, taking only a couple in return. Paolino landed to the head and backed away from a left swing. Godfrey opened up a terrific body attack backing his man along the ropes, but the Basque fought back very gamely. Paolino landed one to the head and one to the body and took a couple to the face They were sparring at the bell

    ROUND SIX

    Paolino rushed out and they clinched. Godfrey swung a right and left to the head, Paolino battering the body. After two clinches Uzcudun swung a long left to the face. Godfrey pounded his midsection. The Basque fought back. Paolino landed a left to the Jaw and Godfrey chased him across the ring. Uzcudun drove a stiff right to the body and they clinched. Godfrey retaliated with a hard right to the head Paolino swung a left to the face and another one. Godfrey landed two to the head as the gong rang.

    ROUND SEVEN

    The Basque rushed in and landed a few to the body. Godfrey clinched. Paolino landed a right to the face They traded body punches in three clinches. The Basque bored into two clinches with powerful body attacks, holding his man against the ropes. Again he backed Godfrey to the ropes with body blows. Paolino backed Godfrey back into a corner and pounded him in the body while the crowd cheered Paolino. He backed the towering negro back into the ropes again and as the bell rang danced Into his corner apparently In as good condition as when he started.

    ROUND EIGHT

    They rushed into a clinch. Then another and traded body blows. Godfrey led with a left to the head. The Basque landed a right to the head and took a left to the head They fought furiously in a clinch. Godfrey led with a left to the head and they clinched. Paolino landed a right to the head and a left to the body. They traded lefts to the head Godfrey landing two uppercuts to the face. Godfrey rushed Uzcudun into a corner at the bell.

    ROUND NINE

    Godfrey drove into his man with stiff lefts and rights to the body. Paolino came back with a body attack. Twice he backed Godfrey to the ropes, pounding his stomach. Godfrey landed lightly to the head. Godfrey drove a vicious right to the stomach and pounded the Spaniard about the head and body in a clinch. Godfrey battered Paolino's head with lefts and rights and followed with a hard body attack at the bell.

    ROUND TEN

    Paolino opened the final round with a rush, then they clinched. Godfrey put all his weight into rights to the body, Paolino staying in close and working on the big fellow's stomach The Basque took a vicious series of kidney punches hut fought back full of steam. Godfrey rushed Paolino into the ropes. They hung heads together pounding rights to the body. Godfrey landed a left to the stomach but Paolino backed him into the ropes. Godfrey landed lefts and right to the head, but Paolino bored in, both swinging wildly at the bell.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Larry Gains once said "Godfrey was the best of them all. I've sparred with Dempsey and fought just about every good heavyweight out there and I will tell you, George Godfrey was the best. I was afraid of only two men in my life, My Father and George Godfrey."





    TUNNEY SPURNS GODFREY MATCH



    "plans for a battle between geney tunney, former american lightheavyweight champion, and george godfrey, negro heavyweight, as the feature attraction on the annuel christmas boxing carnival in madison square garden on dec 18, today were abandoned. it was announced by the officials of the fund. billy gibson manager of gene tunney declinded the prooffered match. according the the fund officials, gibson asserted harry wills is the only negro heavyweight tunney will box." - los angeles times nov. 4 1925





    EASTERN SNAPSHOTS by W. Rollo Wilson



    Nov.12, 1925-The Baron of Leiperville is home again with wonderous tales of the mighty deeds of the "Shadow" along the gilded slope. The "Shadow" is just another way of denoting Gorger George Godfrey, Jimmy's (Dougherty) outsize white elephant. For white elephant George seems now to be. Nobody wants to fight him for love or money. Mr. Wills unostentatiously draws the color line. Mr. Tunney is more blatant in his announcement to the same effect. "I'll fight Harry Wills," broadcasts James Joseph, "but I draw the color line on George Godfrey."



    Two things may be on the mind of the Apollo of Greenwich Village, Perhaps he thinks that one "shot" with Wills would give him enough of the filthy lucre for his future earthly needs. Win or lose he would be "in." Fighting Ole Black Lightning [Godfrey] would be a case of all to lose and nothing to gain, he probably thinks. At this time Billy Gibson and Tunney are saying that the Big Three of Boxing are Dempsey, Wills, and the modest Gene. Godfrey would fain make it a foursome, but you can be jolly well sure that the triumvira will continue to say him nay.



    One of the first acts of [Dougherty] on his arrival was to release another challenge in the general direction of the above-mentioned Big Three. His latest offer is this:

    All any promoter has to do is get Harry, Gene or Jack to sign the papers and pay them whatever they want. Godfrey will come in without asking for a dollar. The aftermath will provide the Dougherty clan with all they will want, because they feel that George can take any of the three.



    As is well known Dougherty and Dempsey are the best of friends. Last summer a year ago (1924) Dempsey visited the baronial halls (Leiperville). While here the subject of a bout with George was broached. Jack declared that if he fought at all he would fight Wills, but not Godfrey. Jimmy pressed him for the reason and he said : "Godfrey is a big strong fellow and is young, Wills is getting older and I think he will be the easier man of the two. That is the reason I prefer to fight him, if I fight." - ROLLO WILSON was often referred to as "the dean of the Black Press.













    "Tunney wanted nothing to do with Godfrey--plain and simple--too tough a fight. Godfrey is vastly under-rated. His record and career are somewhat mired in mystery. So many DQ's, knockouts and damn mystifying losses. I have no doubt, for instance, that he had the cuffs on against Sharkey. The high number of DQ's has more to do with him fighting to order than it does with him being sloppy. Tunney could outbox most heavies and I don't doubt that he could outbox George Godfrey for 5 or six or even ten rounds. However, George was fast for his size, was adept at chasing men down and could hit like a team of mules. If this were a fifteen round fight, I see Godfrey having a hell of chance catching up to Gene. Remember that Tunney's heavyweight resume is not that long or overly impressive. His two best wins were against Dempsey--over 10 rounds--and it is probable that Jack was past it then. Godfrey handled Larry Gaines fairly easily and Gaines was a boxer in both the mold and style of Tunney. Gaines stated that he feared only two men in his life, his father and George Godfrey. George was a beast--big, athletic, huge puncher and surprisingly good speed and movement for a man his size. I think in his prime, 1925-1931, he was about as good as it got. Nobody really wanted to fight George, and for good reason. Tunney avoided him like the plague. In his prime, with no handcuffs, and this is strictly my opinion, I think he could have beaten, Tunney, Sharkey, Carnera and maybe even Dempsey(certainly a post 1926 Dempsey)."- Boxing historian Kevin Smith Author of Unforgiveable Blackness











    "Not only did Tunney duck Godfrey but so did Dempsey and Wills. From late 1923 Baron (James) Dougherty issued challenges almost daily for Wills to take on Godfrey, who was Philadelphia's greatest drawing card. Promoters Herman Taylor and Bobby Gunnis figured such a match in Phila would do between $250 K to $500 K. and the winner would be the "logical challenger" for Dempsey. Dougherty offered all kinds of perks to Wills including that Godfrey would take the match for $ 1.



    I think Godfrey was the most handcuffed fighter of all time. When we interviewed Dougherty's son Howard, who was also a promoter and drove Godfrey across country for his campaign in California, He talked of all the concessions they had to make in order for Godfrey to meet high rated fighters including carrying opponents, fouling out, etc. His loss to Risko was a case in point as some fair eyewitness scribes have noted that Godfrey easily handled Risko for the first eight rounds at Ebbetts Field then Risko made a courageous stand in the last two rounds and they awarded him the decision.



    It was widely understood in Philly that Godfrey agreed to "carry" Risko, that his first two matches with Renault were "smellers" and his "foul-outs" were "ordered." Today People don't realize that one leading black challenger (Wills) was tolerated because of his "good name" with the New York commission but two top black challengers were frowned on. Godfrey and his management (Dougherty) tried to alleviate the situation by attempting to lure Wills into the ring by any means, but of course Wills and Paddy Mullins were not about to risk their position that they earned by taking on young, and very dangerous opponent like Godfrey.I still believe Godfrey was the most "handcuffed" boxer of all time. Being the "most handcuffed boxer of all time" (my opinion) doesn't mean that he was the best of his period, just the "most feared" with the cuffs off. By the way check out photos of Godfrey pre 1926 before his frustrations caused him to gain weight. His body was ripped with muscle and he was always in top condition."- Chuck Hasson Well Respected Boxing Historian and Phillyboxing.com Founder
     
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    Here is what Baron Dougherty is quoted about Godfrey's early career (Chester Times 8/15/47- after Godfrey died) :
    "George was born down in Mobile, Alabama but left there when he was young and eventually found his way to Chicago. There he learned to box under old Sam Langford. Langford, one of the greatest old fighters, took him through the south giving exhibitions.
    "Just about that time Jack Johnson, the former champion, was looking for a sparring partner for vaudeville exhibitions. He was thinking about making a comeback. He picked up George and they toured the country. While the were in Atlantic City, Johnson drove up to see me.
    "Jimmy, he said, I engaged this boy but he is too fast and clever for me to make a good showing. I've got to get rid of him and get a bigger, slower man. He's a great boxer. I think you can make him champion. I'll sell you his contract for $1,000.........."then Rickard offered Wills $50,000. to fight Godfrey in Madison Square Garden. Paddy Mullen, Wills' manager, refused because he felt that Kearns and I were too close and that we were trying to "kill" Wills as an opponent for Dempsey..............."After that I toured all over with George. He never had to exert himself. HE WAS NEVER KNOCKED DOWN. In most of his matches he had to carry the fellows for a couple of rounds. We couldn't get the topnotchers to fight...............GODFREY WAS NEVER KNOCKED DOWN [when Dougherty had him], he was never on the floor,"

    So apparently Godfrey was touring with Langford during the time of the reported knockouts by Langford. We will never know what really happened. These supposed fights also too place extremley early in George Godfreys Career.

    11/1/1943 – Long Beach Independent
    “Godfrey, like all oldtimers believes that the present day fighters are not as good as the boys a few years back. “Today they use bigger gloves and mouthpieces and other forms of protection that oldtimers scorned,” Godfrey said. “I think they were tougher in the old days. The present day fighter would not take the punishment that was dished out by the oldtimers.”

    Godfrey says the hardest hitter he ever met was Sam Langford, but the greatest fighter of all time, the one that would take any of the fighters of today, is Jack Johnson. “He was the greatest defensive counter-puncher there ever was,” Godfrey said reverently.

    Incidentally, Godfrey says he does not go to fights any more and he would not advise anyone to be a professional fighter. “If I had a son, I wouldn’t let him go near a boxing ring. There’s better ways of making a living,” the uncrowned champ vows.”



    " Baron Dougherty, manager of "Big Gawge," challenged Wills almost daily from 1923 thru 1926. Dougherty offered Wills' management their choice of terms-including "winner take all" and even offered Wills the entire purse (even if he lost).
    Philly promoters Herman Taylor + Bobby Gunnis pursued the match stating that it would easily do a quarter of a million dollars in the Quaker City where Godfrey was a huge box-office attraction.
    Tex Rickard tried to arrange the bout for New York to decide the "leading negro title challenger." Also California promoters were interested because Godfrey had become a terrific drawing card in L.A. and San Francisco. But the Wills management still refused.
    The sports writers pressed the issue but no got no response. Even the dean of America's black sportswriters, Rollo Wilson, claimed that Wills was ducking Godfrey"- Chuck Hasson
     
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    Dempsey was murder on sparring partners as Gains attested ,Godfrey was one of the few who could weather an all out assault from Jack .I still think the Carnera fight smells.