Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Greb & Papke 707, May 17, 2019.
Do you consider ken an all time great? Just how good was he?
He was a good world champion.
Not an all-time great.
I agree with this mostly. Not sure how to define him, but a notch below ATG sounds about right.
I think he was pretty great
This is a pertinent thread with the noises surrounding Josh Taylor. Comparisons to Buchanan are being made less and less quietly. His next two fights will determine whether this is prudent or not I guess.
To answer the question, i think that the lightweight division is the deepest division, though this is arguable. I have Buchanan alongside DeJesus, McFadden, Laguna, guys like that; this is outside the top twenty.
But this division isn't heavyweight. Just outside the top twenty is might close to being a great fighter for my money...in the end, gun to my face, guy going "IS HE GREAT?? IS HE GREAT, YOU LISTMAKING *****?" i'd have to say "no he's not, please don't shoot."
But I wouldn't get upset if anyone disagreed with me.
very good boxer, tough fighter- he lost to a prime Duran but was hit low- the fight was very competitive - I think Ken was an excellent fighter- In fact Nat Fleicher of ring magazine told me that Ken was a very good fighter- that was saying a lot coming from Nat when it came to modern active fighters, which Ken was when the question was asked
He was pretty damm great. Excellent boxer.
Very good, and possibly even great. But all time not great not quite. Damn good tho
Superb fighter. Borderline great IMO.
Do you happen to have a link to a top 20 LW list you've put together?
He is perhaps as near to being a great as is possible without achieving greatness?
His fight with Paduano was a boxing clinic.
I have always had him in the ATG list. He was that good. ( albeit lower than some others) But, yeah, he was superb.
He was probably a nearly great. He gave great performances and he was unlucky in the way he lost the title (on an intentional foul) and then wasn't given a rematch by Duran.
Had he beaten Ishimatsu Suzuki in 1975 he might well have got the rematch he deserved with Duran. A fight with DeJesus would also have been interesting. He was at his peak in the early 70s though so not convinced he'd have beaten either fighter at that point.
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Sounds about right.