I have a fasination with Black Murder's Row fighters. Someone school me on Mr.Marshall How good was he? What was his style? How would rate his power? Etc. and I know records don't reflect skill but I'm curious as to how he racked up 25 losses Let's discuss
AF, we're fortunate that Lloyd is actually one of the better documented MR competitors we have footage of, both in victory and defeat. This is the final defeat of Mills before Freddie dethroned Lesnevich at 175. Mills was known as a tough guy who could never give weight away to the big boys in all his domestic efforts as a heavyweight, but here, he gets beaten up by the ten pounds lighter Marshall. [yt]a-PtbswvJbs[/yt] Here is his final stoppage win at age 36. [yt]MXDitbm6CRA[/yt] Bear in mind that Lloyd is 32 while Charles is at his peak for this rematch. [yt]56fBd7nfmUY[/yt] So, what do YOU think off of these three clips?:think
So, what do YOU think off of these three clips?:think[/QUOTE] I see a slick fighter with a nice punch I like him
My pleasure. Marshall is somebody I too have always liked, and this is film I've enjoyed reviewing throughout this decade. Looking at the footage and his record, chief flaw seems to have been a lack of top flight punch resistance and consistency, which combined with his skills and power makes for a far more exciting and unpredictable performer than the legendary Burley, who he decked twice in bettering over the limit. Remarkably, he never produced a double digit winning streak in his entire career. A blend of massive wins with devastating defeats, he doesn't seem to have been much of a middle ground sort of competitor, but having his final huge victory over Mills recorded on film in live sound certainly doesn't hurt one iota. Interesting, that for the power he displays in all three of those clips, and all the KD's scored over fabled opponents like Maxim and Moore which show up in his record, just over half his career wins were within the limit. Numerous defeats came in bouts where he decked the guys he lost to, as well as several wins where he had to get off the floor himself. Factoring in his questionable punch resistance, it seems he did extremely well when looking at the glittering names in his win column. Appears that his ability to punch cancels out his difficulty in taking one sometimes, and that on paper, frequent exchanges of knockdowns made his fights exciting to anticipate and watch, not knowing when the bell rang what might happen. Somebody who obviously would fight anybody, Lloyd was clearly a popular performer during the postwar era, judging by crowd response, and benefits strongly from this extant footage. Here is somebody I would have very much enjoyed paying a ticket to see in action. No, definitely not the greatest member of MR by a long shot, but perhaps the most fun to witness in person out of the bunch, exciting and unpredictable to anticipate watching live, not knowing the outcome.
Well AF, the names he splits between his win and loss columns are those of ATG HOFers, but scrutinize his record for yourself, evaluate the fine footage we have of a fully seasoned Marshall, then form your own conclusions. Again, you picked a Murderer's Row legend who unlike the Rosenblooms and Grebs, does have that highly prized quality footage against noted opponents in his favor to supplement his record on paper and in news accounts.
A post I wrote several months back on a Marshall vs Galindez thread regarding Marshall's alleged chin problem: