How good was Ray Robinson?

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  1. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have always heard he is the greatest ever. I have seen some footage of him and yes he looked GREAT. He looked like he had the Floyd Mayweather skills along with the Gatti courage and Mike Tyson type of power for his weight class. IS this correct or not? Man i wish i had grown up in those days. I love watching great live fights and they seem few and far in between in this era.
     
  2. ThePlugInBabies

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    gatti and sugar ray robinson in the same post? :admin

    i need to go shower and be cleansed.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Here's a fair one. Jake LaMotta in the last 3 rounds of the 6th fight with Ray Robinson looked like Arturo Gatti.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

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    SRR was the complete package.

    He was quick, powerful, skilled, tough. He was stopped once in 200 fights, due to exhaustion. He wasn't THAT slick, however. His KO % (which is good, but not great) may be misleading. He carried quite a few guys, often on orders from the Mob.
     
  5. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yea yea i know. i meant courage wise though
     
  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It doesn't get any better, s34. Think of everything you look for in a great fighter; he was the whole package!
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I have Robinson at #1 p4p. I also have him at #1 WW and #1 MW. But i'm starting to get a bit stressed about him.

    Therea are a LOT of great fighters he didn't tackle in his era.

    A LOT.
     
  8. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Yeah, he only had 202 fights. He should have had at least another 100-150...
     
  9. McGrain

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    Charley Burley
    Holman Williams
    Eddie Booker
    Archie Moore
    Cocoa Kid
    Lloyd Marshall
    Ezzard Charles
    Jack Chase.

    I've limited myself here to fighters who may be better than every fighter that SRR ever fought. I'm not insisting he fight them all in addition. If he skips LaMotta, he can take on six of them.

    You get the idea, i'm sure.
     
  10. McGrain

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    I think that Burley, Booker, Charles and Moore definitley are.

    Williams probably is.

    The rest, borderline. It's reasonable to pick Gavlin as better than all but the first four, in my opinion.

    Marshall is just so confusing.
     
  11. Manassa

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    I'll tell you Ray Robinson's best punch.

    Right hook to the ribs, delivered with an inverted fist so the knuckles sink right in.

    Yea, he could dazzle fighters with quick jabs and straights to the head, blast them in a round with scooping uppercuts and whipping hooks, but when faced by a tougher opponent; LaMotta, Basilio, Gavilan - the real moneymaker was the right hook. Even fighters of that caliber, though they wouldn't like to admit it, were shaken by that spear-point of a punch, a punch that sank deep like a knife to the hilt, right into that vulnerable area where the floating ribs are barely, barely protecting the vital organs beneath.
     
  12. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He did it better than James Bond, that's how good he was!
     
  13. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Your a Tyson fanatic. Even when a thread comes along about SRR, you have to stick Tyson's name into the mix.

    SRR was a very tough individual and beat a level of opposition Tyson can't hold a candle to.
     
  14. McGrain

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    It's fair enough to disagree with that.

    But no, I didn't mean p4p neccesarily. I mean, the fights Robinson took - the fights he fought, the fighters he took on. You could put together a MUCH better team of guys made up of the guys he DIDN'T take on than the guys he did.
     
  15. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with the first two, but strongly disagree on the third and suggest you take a very hard look at Robinson's career at middleweight compared with those of Monzon and Hagler.