How good was Rex Layne

First of all, Davey never touch his blood sucking wife, she married Davey twice to grab his purse, with court injunctions to hold up his money from his last three fights. That is stressful.

 

Here is a little tid-bit for you and all.

I sat between these two mugs, and immediately observed the difference between them like night a day. Sammy's hands were shape like clubs, his fingers and knuckles were enormous ( like a fighter from the bare knuckle days) , his arms resembled tree stumps, and his shoulders and back were massive. His face looked tough, like he fought forever. You couldn't mistake this guy for not being a fighter. It was hard for me to believe Davey was ever a fighter as he was thinly built, mild mannered, and soft spoken figure. I guess for a split moment, Sammy didn't believe it either. For he suddenly said, actually more like a fighter should sound, "I beat a guy named Davey Day for the lightweight Title in Louisville". Davey says softly, "Sammy that's me, I am Davey." Sammy replies "Oh ya, Davey, Dempsey gave me the decision." Davey says, "I know Sammy, I know".

 

No boxing.

BoxRec: Jack Dempsey

 

O'kay lets call him the matchmaker.

 

No, we wont call him the matchmaker to salve your little ego. Literally everything youve said on this thread has been verifiably incorrect. If you want to cling to the idea that Dempsey was some dirty, secret, mob connection fight fixer because he happened to be the referee when your grandfather got beat by Angott and rendered the decision (which agreed with every other eye witness account) so be it. Repeating it over and over wont make it true.

 

Wrong

The day after the signing of the fight. Meaning the author was covering the signing in real time. So again, nice try but no dice. Look I realize your grandfather probably told himself these lies and eventually came to believe them after repeating them for decades. Ive lost count of the number of fighters who manufacture such stories and actually believe them. I have no doubt he sat you on his knee and told you all of this hogwash numerous times. That doesnt make it so. Anyone can go and check the first hand sources that were reporting these events the day they happened and see you are either completely full of **** or have bought, hook line and sinker, a bill of goods your grandfather sold you.

No he didnt. You can repeat this as many times as you want but it is totally contradicted by first hand sources.

What manager isnt obsessed with having a champion??? You think Sam Pian and Art Winch werent obsessed with Day becoming a champion? You allege that they agreed to Dempsey being referee (which you initially denied) because they thought he was in the bag for them. Dempsey turned in a card that was far more preferential to Day than anyone else had and yet somehow youve drawn the conclusion that it was Angott who got a favorable decision from Dempsey. Hmmm. People in glass houses...

 

Mr. Klop, you misinterpreted what I meant, Pian and Winch told Davey, that Dempsey was on their side, which was misleading and just the opposite, attempting to convince Davey not to worry, as Davey objected to Dempsey being the referee, telling his managers that Dempsey ain't right!

They robbed Davey along with Dempsey. It was a complete set-up. They made more money betting on Angott.

 

You are traducing the names of several people who being dead cannot defend themselves,rather distasteful to say the least.

Time for you to come up with some;
PROOF!!!!

 

Dempsey was in the Mob?

 

Sure buddy. Where is the proof? Where exactly did you get this from? What are your sources?

 

Lets just review your track record of reliability on this thread so far:

He wasnt

He didnt

He wasnt

He didnt

Completely untrue. If this were even remotely true Dempsey would not have been such a prolific referee. In fact Dempsey was asked to be the referee these fights specifically because his opinion was held in such high regard.

Dempsey wasnt in the mob.

And he refereed hundreds as the sole official going back to before his time as a champion.

He wasnt.

He wasnt.

No, this is exactly why he was brought in. In fact you can find several posters and advertisements of boxing matches and wrestling matches that Dempsey refereed that said specifically in bold letters "AND AS AN ADDED ATTRACTION: JACK DEMPSEY TO REFEREE!" In fact Dempsey's picture was just as big as Day and Angott's in the advertisements for their championship fight.

Absolutely untrue. And frankly if this were true the word would have gotten out that Dempsey was as crooked as a question mark and he wouldnt have been nearly as prolific as he was because managers would have simply refused to let their fighters fight under him for fear of losing a bad decision.

He wasnt

Which was actually a more favorable score to the loser, Day, than any other first score that was published.

He wasnt.

There never were two judges.

His supposed hatchet job on Day saw him render a card more favorable to Day than anyone else.

Day was a 3-2 favorite based on his previous controversial win over Angott which is important as we will see later.

Untrue

They listed him as the sole judge and referee as proven by the articles I posted covering the contract signing.

Untrue, again, the first hand sources show promoter Vern Franklin paid for Dempsey to referee.

Again, absolutely untrue as illustrated by the first hand sources I posted. The newspapers covering the signing the day after the signing took place state that it was agreed by both parties that Dempsey would be sole judge and referee specifically because they couldnt agree on the officials. Jones did not pay Dempsey nor did he pay Pian and Winch and the Kentucky Commission did not shelve two judges. Furthermore, the entire proceedings were overseen by officials from the NBA representing both Kentucky and Day's home state Illinois.

Totally unsupported by the facts or any sources covering the events.

Again, Louisville offered the most money for this fight, outbidding the next higher bidder, Chicago. The rest of this does more to suggest that Dempsey was brought in to ensure a legit decision than a fix, particularly in light of how controversial Angott's lone loss to Day was.

This is beyond comical. See, Im from Illinois. Ive lived here all of my life. Ive known several fighters who were associated with Pian and Winch and NONE of them have ever had a bad word to say about them. They took Barney Ross to the championship from 1933 to 1939 and Zale to the championship in 1940. They scratched like hell to get Day a title and then suddenly threw it away because you think they made more betting on him to lose at odds of 3-2 than they would have with him being champion??? Are you stupid?

First, post this article. Second, post the three witnesses and what they said that Lardner is supposedly referring to as this fight and its buildup was well covered by the press and Ive never seen any allegations of it being shady beyond you, Day's relative, making **** up about it.

This is comical. The first hand sources say that Angott clearly led for the first half of the fight and closed the show strong with a rally in the closing rounds. Hardly indicative of a guy who was lucky to finish erect.

 

False. Again, the first hand source I published covering the signing the day after it occured was loud and clear that both parties compromised on Dempsey being the sole referee and judge.

Thats not how she told it:

https://flic.kr/p/2pfJTHz

https://flic.kr/p/2pfEMdz

He wasnt.

Where is the evidence of any of this?? In fact five days before the contract signing, during negotiations, the fight was called off because both Pian and Winch objected to the officials. The only thing that saved the fight was all parties agreeing to Dempsey as a sole judge and referee.

Again, I have never heard any of Pian and Winch's fighters say anything bad about them and it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest that they made more money betting narrow odds against their fighter than they would have had he won the title. There were big fights waiting around the corner against the likes of Ambers, Jenkins, and Armstrong to name a few to say nothing of the good purses Pian and Winch could have gotten in non-title fights featuring the champion.

 

Mr. Klop, you definitely need to chill out man. I understand that you are the Boxing Historian on this forum. But, your opinions are some what misleading on this matter. I will try to help you out, all I can, in making a few corrections. Have a nice day.

 

Im sure we all cant wait to you see you further correct history...