How good was Tyson's stamina?

when out of shape against douglas and holyfield, he did great to last as long as he did. he was like a punch bag for them for most of the rounds

 

tyson had great stamina. Never gassed in a fight until later in his career. He did tire a bit with Buster Douglas, but he was out of shape.

 

I think your view on the matter is pretty one sided.

You seem to fault Tyson for losing more so than giving Holyfield a fellow ATG fighter credit for beating Mike.

By Tyson's own admission a clash of heads early in the fight put him in a daze and affected his performance. He fought on but he fought with a non-existent gameplan and therefore was unable to overcome the deficit. Holyfield came into the fight almost anticipating every move Tyson was going to do. He simply was uber prepared. Tyson came in expecting Holyfield to put up a decent fight but ultimately fall short as a result of the leather that Mike was supposed to land.

There was also a clash of heads in the 7th round that affected him even further and pretty much put him out of his gameplan. By the 10th round when Holyfield slowed down, Tyson capitalized by dictating the pace of the round. As a matter of fact watch the 10th round again- the first 2 minutes of the round were all Tyson (albeit not by much) but for Mike to win a late round means that the effort and heart of an ATG was there. He never stopped trying, that is a trait that ATGs have always had in the past.

 

Okay, I managed to dig out all the punchstats I had for Tyson. These are just total punches, rather than listing jabs and power shots and amount per round and so on...keeping it as simple as possible.


vs Ferguson 27/44
vs Tillis 18/44
vs Green 28/46
vs Ribalta 22/33
vs Berbick 30/53
vs Smith 16/26
vs Thomas 23/43
vs Tucker 18/34
vs Biggs 19/39 (only from rounds 1-5)
vs Holmes 16/33
vs Tubbs 15/33
vs Spinks 13/30
vs Bruno I 17/40
vs Carl Williams 8/20
vs Douglas 10/21
vs Tillman 7/12
vs Stewart 21/46
vs Ruddock I 18/--- (I don't have the total punches thrown)
vs Ruddock II 17/37



This next bunch of fights were all broadcast on Showtime, who don't use Compubox...so they are all my own unofficial counts. So don't expect 100% every time out, but I don't think I'm totally out of the ball park with these figures :

vs McNeeley 14/29 (unofficial)
vs Mathis Jr 12/31 (unofficial)
vs Bruno II 16/31 (unofficial)
vs Seldon 3/9 (unofficial)
vs Holyfield I 12/28 (unofficial)
vs Holyfield II 9/29 (unofficial)
vs Botha 13/29 (unofficial)
vs Norris 14/39 (unofficial)
vs Francis 16/33 (unofficial)
vs Savarese 9/14 (unofficial)
vs Golota 20/41 (unofficial)
vs Nielsen 19/41 (unofficial)



And then finally, both these fights were broadcast with punchstats (Lewis) or Compubox tallied them independantly anyway (Williams) :

vs Lewis 6/26
vs Williams 21/42


No idea about the McBride fight, I should do an unofficial count for that sometime.

Punchstats don't tell the whole story but they do tell part of it, and those are the stats I have for Tyson.

 

Nope, it's landed/thrown. Though I've got some of his opponent's averages if needed.

So for example, against Tucker he threw 34 punches per round (over the 12) and landed 18 of them.

 

I expected a reply on my initial punchstat number on the Green fight, but i didn't expect one that thorough, Damond Good stuff.

 

he wasn't in proper boxing shape for that fight. he had only gone someting like 8 rounds in 5 years. he hadn't been past 5 rounds in 5 years

 

His stamina was good but he did not have too many late KO's, so his late power fizzled but he was still a puncher

 

i put it this way ...if hes slanging the power he was slanging for the rounds he slung it .. i'd say he had damn fine stamina

 

So on average, an in shape Tyson lands about 20 punches around and throws about 35 punches a round. Very interesting.

It is also interesting to note how few punches were thrown in the Douglas fight. Surely this suggests (if it was ever doubted) that the great upset lost had more to do with Tyson being in poor shape than with a great Douglas performance.

On punchstats alone, Berbick, Fergson and Green were probably the closest we saw to prime Tyson.


Golota, McNielly and Williams were all surprisingly high work rates for Tyson too, although it seems that his timing may have been out because landing ratio dropped quite a lot. I think this is a big difference in tyson as he aged. He rarely landed as clean and crisp as the prime tyson and as a result his power became less feared and noticeable.

That was an excellent post. Do you have any similar stats for other ATGs or top contenders? It would certainly make for interesting reading.

 

his fight with tucker was a good proof that after a fast start he could certainly carry some gas for the later rounds

 

Yes, i remarked that as well in an older thread and it was one of the arguments i used to show that i thought Tyson looked better against Holyfield than he did against Douglas.

Netherless, i think the fact that Douglas made it harder for Tyson to get his punches off whereas Holyfield would stay in the pocket. That has to be factored as well.