How good was Valuev

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never followed his career because I thought he was freak show. I know he was the beneficiary of several close “iffy” decisions but looking over his resume it does look decent/good. Was his size and just enough skill enough to make him difficult for most or was he fraudulent?
     
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  2. WAR01

    WAR01 In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Uncrackable chin, freakish strength, great power, relatively good hand speed basic fundamentals paired with an awesome jab.

    He often sleep walked through fights in his mortal form we have on film but once the giants eyes opened he often brutalised his opponents like children if he harnessed his aggression like he did in those fickle few moments not many could stand with him.
     
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  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He holds wins over - Monte Barret, Owen Beck, Sergei liakovich, Clifford Etienne, Ruiz (2x), Old Holyfield (disputed), Jameel McCline (injury pull out), and a faded Larry Donald.
    His two losses were to Haye and Chagaev. He was never knocked out.

    He looks awfully slow and ponderous in the ring and I have no doubt a good big heavyweight would be a nightmare for him. Wlad, Fury etc but his resume isn’t that bad. He was a serviceable strap holder.
     
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  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They don't call his Sugar Nikolai for nothing.

    SNV!
     
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  5. VVMM

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    Valuev never lost to a tall fighter.But Wladimir Klitschko's record against the best tall oponents(Sanders,Fury,Joshua) is 0-3.
    Valuev never lost to a bum like Puritty. (Puritty who destroyed Wladimir klitschko.)
    Valuev beat an ATG (Holy) and wladimir Klitschko never.
    Nobody could knock out Valuev but Wladimir Klitschko has ko losses and wladimir was down several times.
    Etc.
    Otherwise Fury never beat a so big, decent, not old fighter like Valuev.
    All in all your Wlad and Fury examples are far away from the facts and objectivity.This comes from a klitschko fan.
    Too bad
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL
    - Valuev was battered by 5'9'' shot, fat cruiserweight Marcelo Dominguez
    - Valuev didn't beat ATG Holyfield He LOST to 46-years-old totally shot Holyfield but was given a gift from judges. And Chris Byrd really beat much younger and better version of Holyfield, while Wlad beat Byrd twice. Plus he easily beat Chagaev and Haye, both of whom beat Valuev
     
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  7. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Far from good, VERY far. I think James Toney from Holyfield fight would kick his ass BADLY

    Here is Valuev's fight against 5'9'' old, fat cruiserweight Marcelo Dominguez
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Povetkin >>>>>> Valuev

    Ibragimov >>>>>> Valuev

    I think both would completely outclass Nikolay and Povetkin would probably laid him out cold with a nasty left hook

    Hell, I'd favor Oleg Maskaev and even Alexander Zolkin to beat Valuev
     
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  9. christpuncher

    christpuncher Active Member banned Full Member

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    Well he was a 'superheavyweight', maybe THE superheavyweight. Therefore he must be the GOAT.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    He wasn't as scary in the ring as he looked!
     
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  11. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thinking he might be out of the , Carnera, Wiilard, Abe Simon, mould, looks like they can/should be able to take your head off, but in reality dont punch as hard as thier bulk would suggest, so bit of a dissapoinment overall.
     
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  12. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Old Donald clearly schooled him
     
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  13. The Long Count

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    yeah good might be a little strong of an assessment. I never watched his bouts, and don’t view him as very good in video. But his resume isn’t horrible. It’s average for a belt holder and better than I thought it was. But he doesn’t look good
     
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  14. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Ruiz. Donald and Holyfield beat him
     
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  15. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes completely but the fight was in Germany
     
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