How good were Joe Louis's skills? (With poll)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Dec 10, 2021.


How good were Louis's technical skills overall by modern standards??

  1. Louis's skills were poor, and I've *never* had a boxing match

    1.9%
  2. Louis's skills were poor, and I've had at least one boxing match

    3.8%
  3. Louis's skills were average, and I've *never* had a boxing match

    1.9%
  4. Louis's skills were average, and I've had at least one boxing match

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Louis's skills were very good, and I've *never* had a boxing match

    17.0%
  6. Louis's skills were very good, and I've had at least one boxing match

    3.8%
  7. Louis's skills were incredible, and I've *never* had a boxing match

    32.1%
  8. Louis's skills were incredible, and I've had at least one boxing match.

    39.6%
  9. I voted by accident, so I'm picking this one.

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    This thread will address a recently controversial issue: How good were Louis's technical skills overall by modern heavyweight contender standards?

    Was he primitive? Ahead of his time? A picture perfect puncher who is unlikely to be surpassed at heavyweight? I encourage you to vote.

    Poll is broken down by boxing experience (amateur or pro are both fine.)
     
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  2. Malik Shabazz

    Malik Shabazz Member banned Full Member

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    Obviously his skills were quite dominant for his eras.

    Today's era is different. It remains to be seen if Louis could carry that dominance over to the newer generations

    My guess would be no. The types of opponents he faced back in the 1930s have obviously not stood the test of time. Those types of fighters have been replaced
     
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  3. ivancho

    ivancho Member Full Member

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    are you sure? I mean boxing was way bigger back then more fighters all over the world, more boxing clubs etc, they used to fight more too and 15 rounds with smaller gloves
     
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  4. ivancho

    ivancho Member Full Member

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    Yeah boxing changed a lot between years but I don't think today guys are more skilled than before at least hw div
     
  5. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis was extraordinary, he proved it again and again. Most naysayers are just the indefensible "oh dear, boxing has advanced so much over the years" stripe.

    Watch Willie Pep or SRR and tell me how much boxing has "advanced".
     
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  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing has changed, yes, but changed doesn't always mean advanced. How some of these classic Heavyweights could and would (or couldn't and wouldn't) adapt to modern conditions, equipment, officials, and powers that are in 2021, is the reason there are 2 (and possibly 3) camps In the forum. I really don't think humans have evolved that much in the last 100 years or so. From about 1942 on, I rarely encountered a fellow human taller than me. Nearly 60 years later, that's still true. Training methods have changed, so has modern "nutrition." Is it really all that improved? I believe it has improved in many ways, but I'm not so sure about how much. The Classic fighters would have some advantages, also, against the 2021 fighters. It sure is fun to discuss it.
     
  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    During that time, America held what in effect was a monopoly on heavyweight boxing. Between Carnera's defence in Rome against Uzcudun in 1933, and Patterson's defence against McNeeley in Toronto in 1961 - there was not a single HW title fight, that took place abroad! That's 55 straight title fights, all held in the US. During this time only 6 non-americans fought for the title.

    Contrast this with today, where the top heavyweights are spread all over the world, and where we have much more international competition. I think it's difficult to compare two eras, that are so different!
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Maybe America was just really exceptional at producing boxers back then. There are modern countries that specialize in producing great fighters in various sports; it wouldn't be surprising.
     
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  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Today I learned, without much surprise, that djanders is a Titan among men.

    What would the 3 camps be?
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's true, that the US produced BY FAR the greatest number of top heavyweights back then. My point is, that there was no real "threat" to their dominance - unlike in the past couple of decades, where the rest of the world has been catching up.
     
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  11. ivancho

    ivancho Member Full Member

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    Money was in America as today but there were more HW's and clubs everywhere.. Today big guys prefer to play basket or Football
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Could be that the rest of the world is only slightly better now, though, and the US considerably worse.

    Or to put it another way, there's nothing preventing an interpretation saying that the USA of the 1950s/1960s beats the rest of the world of 2021 (including the depleted 2021 US).
     
  13. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Once again, this is seen through American eyes. There are big guys everywhere - do you think those outside the US are taking up basket and football, to win fame and fortune?
     
  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure, you can interpret anything, any way you want - and can never be proven wrong.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well, so it's a more interesting issue than it first appears.

    Boxing genuinely was a huge sport compared to almost everything else in old timey America.

    You are the one who claims (probably correctly) that boxing has been on the rise in other countries that previously didn't really have it.

    So the two geographic areas -- America and the rest of the world, aside from maybe Britain and a couple others -- are not on a par. One area (US) is going from enormous concentration on boxing, to dilution of talent. The other areas are going from whatever else they were doing in 1930 to a mix that includes more boxing.