How great is floyd really?

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  1. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd has been a champion for 18 years, is undefeated and is currently 38 years old with no real threat from 140-154.

    Let that marinate.
     
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  2. DGS

    DGS Active Member Full Member

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    i honestly would have rated everybody you stated higher that floyd til i read this..
    In all honesty what hurts floyds legacy in
    a lot of peoples eyes is that he never faced the prime versions of the fighters he beat, while its not his fault that these fights were never made, it gives leverage for his haters to discredit everything he does

    im sure if fights between mosley, oscar, pacquaio were all made earlier when floyd was willing to fight them

    and actually beat them, i doubt many would have a problem rating him top 10
     
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  3. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    ok...so, you wanna argue competition...so, lets.

    duran:
    lw: dejesus (lost 1, won 2)
    ww: srl (won 1, lost 2). benitez (lost), hearns (lost)
    mw hagler (lost)

    Srl:
    ww: benitez (won), duran (lost 1, won 2), hearns (lost 1, drew 1)
    mw: hagler (won)

    Hearns:
    ww: cuevas (won), leonard (lost1 drew 1), duran (won), benitez (won)
    mw (hagler lost)


    fmjj: corrales (won), hatton (won), judah (won), dlh (won), cotto ((won), marquez (won) canelo (won), pacquiao (won), ssm (won)

    i think floyd's comp measures up with that of the fab four....specifically i think marquez, corrales and pacman would give duran a very tough fight....hatton would be trouble for benitez. canelo would ve tough for hearns. ssm would give srl a good fight....dlh was always a contender.

    but floyd handled his comp with relative ease...that tells me that if fmj had been around in the 1980's he dominates the fab 4 with the same ease he dominates today...you might want to call that implausible or a troll comment...but to me, it's more a matter of wrapping your brain around the concept of a fighter being so vastly more skillful than anybody else that most people can't imagine it...and his record and performances speak for themselves.
     
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  4. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    better take a picture of that because you'll never see it again in this lifetime. :lol:
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    List your top 15-25. How many of those fighters never faced a prime ATG?

    Plenty of guys have lots of wins and few losses. Just go to boxing rec.

    Look at Leonard. A true top 20 ATG. He faced Benitez, Duran, Hagler, Hearns. All of them at their peak. Maybe Hearns was slightly green and Hagler slightly worn down. But still not very far off it at all.
     
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  6. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How many ATGs has Floyd had the opportunity to fight in their primes? You act as if his era was littered with them. Don't even fix your fingers to start typing anything about ducking Pacquiao.
     
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  7. MoJoGoodie

    MoJoGoodie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Muhammd Ali
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Willie Pep
    6. Roberto Duran
    7. Benny Leonard
    8. Jack Johnson
    9. Jack Dempsey
    10. Sam Langford
    11. Joe Gans
    12. Sugar Ray Leonard
    13. Harry Greb
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Ezzard Charles
    16. Gene Tunney
    17. Mickey Walker
    18. Archie Moore
    19. Floyd Mayweather
    20. Jake Lamotta
    21. George Foreman
    22. Barney Ross
    23. Jimmy McLarnin
    24. Julio Cesar Chavez
    25. Mike Tyson:yep


    Here ya go...pick it apart as you wish..
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't see how Mayweather rates higher than Lamotta for example.

    Jake was the only man to defeat prime Robinson. The best fighter ever. Yes he was the significantly bigger man and had a size advantage, but still.

    That win blows away anything Floyd ever did in his career. Far and away blows it away.
     
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  9. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Im sorry but Mike Tyson is not top 25. One of the most overrated fighters ever. And if you're rankings on "prime" only then where is Roy Jones?
     
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  10. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not going to discuss that. I'm just pointing out something important. Floyd can't be jumping people on ATG lists when they have vastly superior competition.

    It's absurd for example that he would rate above Leonard or even near him.
     
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  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    PBF is an elite ATG but he's not the GOAT he's a top 15 ATG at best and I'm a huge PBF fan.
     
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  12. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Tbe
     
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  13. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Nobody rates him above Leonard. But he does have a win over JMM who is an atg.
     
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  14. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't rate Floyd above Ray, even though I think Floyd beats him head to head and is the overall better fighter. That's not what this is.
     
    Brian, Jun 12, 2015
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  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    A Marquez at 146 is not even close to ATG.
     
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