How Great is This Heavyweight Division?

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How Great is This Heavyweight Division?

  1. Best

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  2. Second best

    1 vote(s)
    4.3%
  3. Top 3

    6 vote(s)
    26.1%
  4. Top 5

    3 vote(s)
    13.0%
  5. Top 10

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  6. Top 15

    3 vote(s)
    13.0%
  1. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Till now I was never a fan of HW, but modern HW Division really impresses me. We got many fighters with completely different styles and capabilities:

    slow and durable Joyce,
    fast and skillful Usyk,
    unskilled, murderous puncher Wilder
    unorthodox, skilled Fury
    fat and furious combination puncher Ruiz
    big, athletic Joshua

    amount of good/great fighters for a division, that should have small talent pool is crazy. Furthermore we got bright personalities, a kinda bad guy Fury and undoubtedly a good guy Usyk.

    Historically i was interested in divisions from bantam to LHW, so i dont know much about HW and need your help in rating modern HW.

    Vote and discuss.
     
  2. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    not that great actually.
    The fact that oldies from the previous era hung onto top10 or even top5 positions kinda tells you all you need to know.
     
  3. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No one stands out as the top fighter, all of them beatable and not dominant.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    James Toney was ranked top 3 when he was obese so I guess that era was even worse according to your standards.

    No old , fat middleweight would be top 3 in this era
     
  6. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I don't think it is a particularly great group although they are obviously not horrible. By the way, you did a fantastic job of describing their diverse styles in just a couple of words.
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It's not a great era.

    But it is an interesting and intriguingly competitive era.
    There are some unusual combinations of attributes in the mix.

    The biggest reason it isn't a great era, though, is that the biggest fights don't get made enough - too many primadonnas demanding to be accepted as A-side without good reason and too much waiting to make the big fights (Wilder has been cancerous on both counts).
     
  8. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I'd have to give you that, but that was basically due to beating Holyfield from his own previous generation, wasn't it?!
     
  9. BELLERS

    BELLERS Active Member Full Member

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    It’s poor. I know Fury has been inactive (7 bouts in nearly 7 yrs) but he will probably retire having had about 35 fights, & that includes taking on Usyk & AJ. He literally has run out of credible opponents !
    The young guns are a mile off & won’t be challenging anytime soon. Fury, Usyk, Wilder, probably Joshua will be long gone.
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Holyfield is another example! He was still getting title shots at 47 and almost doing enough to win.
     
  11. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    WBA titleshots on name and the corrupt WBA ranking system only... he wasn't top10 ranked by any stretch after his loss to Toney back in the day. The WBA had their own thing going on, with the likes of Ruiz, Rahman, McCline, Holyfield, Valuev and probably not by their own choice, the actually retty good Chagaev. Nobody decent got into their rankings.
    And, the belt Holyfield was fighting for at the end of his career shouldn't even be in Valuev's hands. He had lost, then they duplicated the belt and went on to strip Chagaev of his, about a week before the unification with Wlad.
    It's like the WBC belt after Vitali up until Fury vs Wilder I.
     
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  12. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok. What if we take best fighters from 60-70th as reference. Are Fury and Usyk capable to beat fighters like Liston, Patterson, Foreman, Frazier and Ali?
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If you lump eras by approximate decade spans, has to be one of the worst.
     
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  14. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What I meant to say is Evander was being competitive to top 5 guys like Valeuv , not that he was ranked by Ring. But many thought Vander should have won that title. David Haye only did marginally better than him and he was in the prime of his career!
     
  15. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Before boozerweight gets the inevitable mention;

    Usyk and other fine former cruisers do not represent proof of cruiserweight's superiority. He/they is/are actually proof of how varied and great and mythically fascinating a division heavyweight is, i.e. heavyweights who should never have been cruisers because cruiser is a stupid division that should never have existed.

    The original eight is where it's at.