I think the fact the division is so weak, and Wlad is not fighting the best fighters out there is bothering alot of people, such as myself. The politics of boxing is messing up the divsion just as much as the boxers, the talent pool just isnt there anymore, the excitement is almost gone now. I just hope after he beats Iggy he takes on Chagaev and proves how good he really is, beating the weakest title holder proves nothing to me.
NO! Austin, who was being careful to avoid the straight right, foolishly walked into a lefthook. But then what can you expect from Austin? If Povetkin lives up to his promise, you will see Klitschko with all his limitations put on display for the whole world.
I think people are beginning to go overboard with their endorsements of Wlad's ability now that he's on top. Remember, it wasn't all that long ago he'd just been wiped out by Corrie Sanders and then stopped by Lamon Brewster and was the laughingstock of this board. I'm not saying those losses define him as a fighter, but certainly they show he's no demi-god in there. Based on his career so far, I'd say he's earned a spot in the top 35, at least. How far he can climb has yet to be seen.
So, in your mind a guy who is the youngest fighter in history to win the heavyweight gold medal at the olympics, went on as a pro boxer to win two of the four major pro heavyweight titles and has wiped the floor with the best heavys from africa, america, and early in his career Europe is about 35 in the ATG category. :scaredas: :nut :rofl atsch . Dude, the guy has just entered his prime. He is about to take his third major belt from the underated Sultan this winter. Wlad with his height, fast, powerful punches and with Steward's training, vastly improved ring mobility and lateral movement, would be a terror for any of the top 12 or so heavy's in history. Holmes and Ali take him deep into the championship rounds and drown him and Foreman crushes him early or loses by decision. Tyson probably gets to his chin but couldn't finish a fat, diabetic Douglas so I'm being a bit generous but my gut says prime Tyson wins. Other than those monsters I see Wlad as competitive with all the rest. Watch the Austin fight again. The 6foot 6inch durable Austin was crushed by Wlad's second best punch. Wlad is bad. Nuff said!!!
Wlad is a beast of a man. Unfortunately it will be hard to asess his greatness because there are no major players in the heavyweight division to challenge him. He needs to fight recognizable names, otherwise he'll just be one of those "good" fighters, but not great. I do think he can be great tho, he just needs some better competition. If he was around in the 80's and 90's, it would be much easier to say (I am aware he fought in the 90's, but you know what I mean).
weak era.....so right now hwa great.......if he fought in the 90s hes a top 5 fighter but he would not beat holyfield/lewis/tyson/moorer of 94....bowe of 92....SO NO HES NOT GREAT.....TO BE GREAT U HAVE TO BEAT GREAT FIGHTERS.....
I agree, but unfortunately boxing fans especially in North and South America tend to underestimate Euro fighters. The best and very talented heavy's now come from eastern Europe, Chageev, Sultan, Povetkin, etc. so even if Wlad defeats these quality heavys he probably won't get due respect for his accomplishments. He already outboxed Peter and blasted Brock but the trend is to belittle that acheivement. There is a sick agenda here from a number of ESB posters to trash Wlad's massive in-ring accomplishments and unfortunately I think the main reason sadly is jingoistic and nationalist in nature.
Haha, I know what you mean. Boxing shouldn't be limited to just North and South America...if you're good, you're good, regardless of where you come from. Wlad has all the tools and I honestly think he would be able to handle himself in just about any era. I don't think anyone is going to challenge him for a loooooooooooooong time though the way things are.
That would've been a step in the right direction back in the day. Definately not now, even if it was to happen.
Well said and again I agree with you. But Wlad was very fortunate and/or very smart to hook up with the tactical genius Emmanuel Steward. Tough guy Wlad, the fighter who slaughtered the older but still very dangerous Mercer was an offensive sight to see but was very limited defensively. Wlad had the patience and balls to actually listen to Steward's awesome boxing advice: (Are you listening Germaine Taylor???); and learn how to defend himself and fight tall. At this stage of his career I see him as pretty much unbeatable and when you can say this about any fighter he is approaching greatness. Hopefully more ESB posters will see this as Wlad's career evolves.
If I remember correctly Steward wasn't in Wlad's corner when he fought Mercer. In fact, Steward was watching that fight from ring side seated alongside HBO commentators Lampley and Merchant. I may be wrong but i think it was Brooks who trained Wlad for the Mercer fight. Klitshko's best fight in his whole career, if you ask me... But to be honest Mercer was far from being the offensive machine he once was. He threw only jabs and occasionally landed a few right hands, but that was it.
No! I guess we'll see providing that Povetkin makes it past Chambers as he should. Many expected more from Austin because he had a draw vs. another current beltholder, Sultan. Some here had Austin winning that one.
Wladimir would easily beat Bowe, Moorer & Holyfield. Lewis is a 50/50 fight and it depends which Tyson vs. which Wlad.
How is lewis a 50/50 fight thats just wrong, lewis is an obvious favourite he beat the tougher chinned brother when he was out of shape and past his prime, a prime lewis is at least a 60/40 favourtie.
That same Lewis was sparked by the likes of McCall & Rahman. What's to say that can't happen vs. Wladimir who has far better skills than McCall or Rahman? Before you say Lewis is far better than Sanders or Brewster let me say that I agree with you and that's why I see the fight as 50/50, especially when you consider that Wlad's style is much improved since those losses. If it was Wladimir vs. Lewis instead of Vitali, that first overhand right that VitKlit landed in the second round would've been thrown by Wladimir, that would've been the end for Lennox right there. SAme goes for those uppercuts that Lewis landed on Vitali. Those shots probably would've KO'd or at least knocked down Wladimir. Do you get the point?