How Great was Ken Buchannan ?

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  1. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah he looks Ray Liotta in Goodfellas there! What about him and Ken prime for prime? Would be great tactically and would without a doubt heat up.
     
  2. mcvey

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    I like Buchanan a lot but Duran was winning the fight.
     
  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i see carlos beating ken prime for prime on points though but what a technical fight it would be and a good one
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh theres no way buchanan was beating duran i had him somehing like 5 rounds down
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I've heard that's the way it is.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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  7. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To be honest i would not argue the point that Duran may or may not have been ahead in the fight but for him not to offered a rematch {or the governing body not to order a rematch} was very bad in the circumstances !
    I dont know the exact purse details of the fight, but it was said that Ken would have earned $100,000 if he had won and he would have retired. {the year was 1972}
    So there would have been big bucks on the table for a rematch after the controversy of the first fight, which could have been billed as a grudge match between great boxers, Ken went into the Duran fight with 43 wins 1 defeat { a robbery in Spain ?} and Duran went into the fight 28 wins from 28 bouts.
    Why did Duran not fight Buchanan in rematch ???, could the reason be the same possible reason that Hopkins or Jones Jnr would not fight Calzaghe back in 2001/2 ,not because they thought they would lose but because the risk was to great, in other words they figured they would proberbly win but there was still a chance they could lose ?
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    the robbery in spain i havent saw the fight but from what i have read in articules and from books buchanan won

    also after not fighting ken MSG banned duran from fighting their for a while
     
  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How great was Ken? The greatest Brit in the last 50 years. That great.

    And I say that despite thinking that he lost the first Laguna fight. By the way, the crowd were actually Pro Buchanan in Puerto Rico, not pro Laguna.

    Others have had better skills perhaps, or more talent, but overall I think his career is more impressive than any other Brit's in the last 50 years.
     
  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never personally mentioned the crowd in the Laguna fight, the quote from Reg Gutteridge did.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that photo of ortiz looks like early 60's.he was 36 when buchanan beat him but looked 60.
     
  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    thanks he does look real young in the photo
     
  13. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    just A few observations,

    Re the Guts ishamatsui (?) Fight, Locals were night after night singing and Shouting outside Ken's Hotel in the early Hours, in the run up to the fight Ken apparently never got an uninterrupted nights Sleep, Ken was also Thumbed by a Sparring Partner, Despite this, and Ken being sleightly past his best, he still showed Flashes of his old self against Guts, and when he did he outclassed Guts, but ken did not seem to be able to Maintain it, but for me it was obvious that had Guts been meeting a Prime Ken, he would not of been a problem for Ken

    Ken was that rareity amonst Pure "Boxers" it that the ropes or corners were not a No-No Spiders web Trap for Him, He would Bob up and Down Sway Left and Right, then Spin out to the centre of the ring in a blur of tartan and a sleight nodding of the Head, he even did this against a superb boxer like Laguna, when he wanted to Ken could be loike a Ghost in the Ring,

    Ken had more Bounce-Per Ounce then most Boxers, Fighting in the Days of Fifteen Rounders, Ken was still Fluently Darting Around in the Fifteenth round of Fights

    Ken, despite his frail Choir-boy Looks, was a real Tough Guy, He took some great Shots from Duran, but it was only that after-bell Low Impact, that almost Gave Ken a 2nd Adams Apple that put him Down, Even then Ken wanted the Fight to Continue

    Re Kens Failed Return Matchwith Duran, of course he thourghly deserved one, and he had started to plant himself a bit more and rack up a few impressive stoppages, Chung Kil Lee, Chu Chu Malave Frankie Otero (II)
    So Desreved Yes, but to suggest that Roberto himself was somehow afraid of Ken is not really legitimate, After Roberto took the title from Ken he was Upset by Esteban Dejesus in a non title fight and Floored Heavily in the first, I think the Focus the centred on Getting Revenge on Esteban, and Once Roberto had acheived this, being floored heavily in the first once again, the Focus was on a Rubber Match, Esteban was a superb fighter in his own right, and perhaps, with a big punch capable of flooring roberto in Tow, to The non british Fans, The Journalists the Boxing powerbrokers and establishment Esteban Dejusus representated a more Exciting and lucrative opponent for a 3rd meeting than would Buchanan for a second, perhaps not Fair, but Probably a Sound Business decision

    Ken Did say in his Book that When he won the English journalists used to call him / Claim Him "Britains" Ken Buchanan - And on the rare occassions he Lost he suddenly became "Scotlands" Ken Buchanan - Now i think Ken gets the Full Respect he Deserves, Most see him as a great Lightweight who would indeed trouble the Absolute Best.

    Re Robertos Claiming that Ken was the Best or toughestman he fought, Well Perhaps Roberto has Mellowed in his old Age, Roberto fought so many great and Very good fighters I would be surprised if he really did have Ken at the top of the list ( Maybe he was still sending a Dig at SRL ?) Ken was certainly one of the very best that Roberto Fought, and that is Fantastic praise enough
     
  14. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nice post AREA 53
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i think roberto said ken was one of the toughest lightweights he fought