How great would DLH have been....?

Speaking for all ESB

SHUT THE **** UP

 

What Rico said sounds logical in my mind. I don't think it was outrageous. Oscar lost most of his big fights. Are we on the message board to put out lies and build a guys myth or are we here to be honest? Oscar fought well against Chavez and Camacho and older guys like them who he was bigger then, but when he fought top guys who were prime like Tito and Mosley he lost. If you look at all time ranking, he is better than Camacho, but Chavez ranks a lot higher. Oscar also lost against Hopkins and was knocked out with a bodyshot. Even Marlon Starling fought Michael Nunn and went 12 full rounds, and he was a lot shorter than Nunn. Oscar is very very good but not ATG. He beats guys like Vargas and Mayorga who were limited, but then against the top tier guys like Mayweather,Mosley,Hopkins,Tito he lost, which puts him below those 4 guys in all time ranking.

 

If he was 100% Dedicated to boxing and not catering to his looks, singing etc. He could have beaten a lot of people.

He beat Felix Trinidad but couldn't finish him off. He could have also beaten Shane Mosley.

Thesetwo wins could have made people look at him in a different light.

 

I'm no huge ODLH fan... he pulled a ***** move in the Tito fight and it cost him his legacy, and it's bull**** that he took the Pac fight when JMM is with Golden Boy BUT a fact is a fact. I was THERE at the fight, and Sturm is a lazy, complacent mother****er who couldn't be bothered to string three punches together all night long with a gassed out ODLH right in front of him. Oscar shoeshined all night, and when the opponent does NOTHING, the shoeshiner wins it just because he threw punches, regardless of how hard they are.

 

I would say that he was great with top level guys, he should have taken the Tito decision and he won one of the Mosley fights pretty clearly, imho, but if you're saying that SRL > ODLH you'll get no argument from me.

 

oscar's resume is supreme but part of that was because of his appeal.

the bottom line is that he lost the biggest fights of his career and he'll be remembered as an ambassador for boxing.

maybe some people won't agree with me, but i loved watching oscar fight when he was young, throwing combos and really WANTING to win fights, but the last few years i lost all respect for him because he was trying to cash in and he was greedy.

if that wasn't true, he could have made tito 2 and mosley 3 - but both rejected those fights because they were offered too little against a guy they had already beat.

and that's the only reason he fought hopkins.

 

no-one ever had the pulling power of oscar. not below HW anyway.

i wouldn't build him up because of his resume. he was popular in a time when money matters and he legitimately milked that in the last several years.

you can hear how insincere and false he is when heøs promoting someone and, personally, i dont understand who has that sort of 'weight' and has fought their whole life can knowingly talk bull**** just to try and sell tickets.

he's done all the hard work to get respect and acknowledgement and he's still trying to sucker-punch people....

 

I love how people try to discredit Oscar's resume by saying that Oscar had pulling power, or brought money to the table, as if that somehow means that he shouldn't be credited for taking on all of the best opponents. What the hell does that matter? If anything, that should give him MORE credit. Oscar didn't have to fight all of the best fighters out there all of the time. He could have fought Yori Boy Campas once a month and laughed all the way to the bank. The fact that Oscar didn't even need to fight the best guys out there, yet consistently moved into weight divisions were the biggest fight and the biggest challenge was says everything you need to know about him.

Oscar's willingness to fight mega-fight after mega-fight is the reason why his pulling power was so huge, and why he was so popular with fans. Can you imagine if Floyd Mayweather who also started at 130 pounds, had fought everyone on Oscar's resume? You think that he would be undefeated? Hell no. Oscar will NEVER gets his due respect until years after he is retired. People will back and say "HOLY ****, that man fought everyone". Not only has he fought everyone... but he did very good against everyone. He fought all the best fighters, all of the different styles, 6 different weight classes, when he was young and green until he was old and past it. Fighting the best pd 4 pd fighters in the sport since he was 23-24 years old, until he was 35.

Oscar was an ATG before he ever even stepped into the ring against Trinidad. After he was robbed in that fight, he was never quite the same as a fighter. Even before Oscar fought Tito he had already beaten Whitaker who was Pd 4 pd #1 in the world (now people act like he was shot or something)... Chavez, who was the 140 Champion. Keep in mind that Oscar beat BOTH of those ATG fighters in his very first fight moving up into their division. Oscar had also already beaten undefeated Genaro Hernandez, the undefeated Miguel Angel Gonzalez, the undefeated Ike Quartey, Hector Camacho, Obe Carr, John John Molina, Jesse James Leija soon after Leija had just beat Azumah Nelson, 43-1 Champion Rafael Ruelas, Jorge Paez, ect... ALL OF THIS BEFORE OSCAR FOUGHT TITO!

You haters have no ground to stand on. Especially those of you who say moronic statements like "Oscar never won any fights against elite fighters". Get off the crack. If you don't think that any of the opponents that Oscar beat are elite fighters... then you sure as hell don't follow the sport of boxing very well.

 

He should have taken the Tito fight but did not because he did not think he had to win the last few rounds. That is significant about him as a great fighter. The Shane fights I thought Shane won with his speed, and pretty much beat Oscar along the way. Shane just always seemed a little better than Oscar.

 

Yeah Oscar was always overrated. Oscar running the last few rounds against Trinidad and not taking Mosley seriously in the first fight just proves how stupid he is. And when I mean stupid, I mean poor ring intelligence.

 

very good post, nice to hear the respect for Oscar.