How hard did Max Baer hit

I'm surprised that hardcore fans of old school heavyweight boxing aren't more into this stuff. Two top Joe Louis sized boxers really going at it in a clash of power v. speed and skill.

 

It's like a gladiator fight.

And yeah, he's like a big ol' Cruiser Lomachenko.
Angles, agility, range control, stamina, and he can punch pretty good too.
Huck looks like he's toast, but he keeps coming back with really heavy blows to keep Usyk honest.

I wish this broadcast was more stable!

 

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Huck looks less polished and skilled than Baer.
The man does have heavy hands.

 

Usyk Wins!

 

A difference is the Foreman of especially the Norton and Frazier one goes threw his punches textbook, from the shoulder and a right hand straight down the pike all which hit there mark quicker and more often (later under Clancy this all changed for the worse). Maxie never learned boxing technique beyond very beginning lessons and then not so well often winging his right hand from far field which is part of the reason both Schmeling and Galento lasted as long as they did. He never learned how to walk into his jab like George and it was pretty much just a range finder, never was taught how to throw an uppercut and his left hook was a swing like his right hand. In full motion my bet is he hit just as hard as big George.

 

If Foreman was filmed with black and white cameras, he'd be clowned to oblivion on this forum. Not only would he be overly criticized, people would view him as a joke, and use his footage to prove how far boxing has come along.

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There might be some modernists saying they would consider Foreman skilled even if he was filmed with 30's cameras. But I'd buy a pet rock before that pile of guff.

 

Early George and the Clancy trained George had many bad moments, he was basically an untrained amateur, however once Sadlers teaching of his natural gate and throwing his jab, straight right hand to the head and body, and right uppercut took hold you had almost text book punching in both the Norton and Frazier 1 fights. The comeback Foreman once he worked himself into shape developed a fine left uppercut to go with his arsenal.

 

I'd say there's a clear difference in quality between Foreman and Baer, which would be apparent no matter how their fights were filmed. First off, Foreman keeps his composure a lot better. He consistently maintains range, consistently works to cut off the ring and consistently utilises his jab with accuracy and power. Baer in comparison roves all over the ring, fights from a crouch or straight upright, wings punches without setting them up, and generally just looks like he's making stuff up as he goes along.

Foreman's wild swings would be rightly criticised, but never to the same degree as Baer who literally fell over his own feet at times attempting to land a knockout shot. No one would ever view Foreman as a joke.

 

This is too biased to be taken seriously. All good things mentioned for Foreman, opposite for Baer. No thanks.
And I agree with almost none of it.

 

I don't see much that Baer did better than Foreman. They weren't the same level of fighter.

He was a bit quicker and more unorthodox. That's about it.

 

What do you agree with by the way? Let's start with that.

 

Baer doesn’t have to be better than Foreman in order to not use only positive adjectives for George, and negative for Max. The point is it’s a reflection of your thinking, which I find too biased and off the mark to entertain.

 

That Foreman cuts off the ring and uses his jab with power.

 

Like I said, I find very little to praise Max over. He was a sloppy operator from start to finish, very overrated power and poor ring iq. He looks terrible on film and makes the worst excesses of Foreman look tame. Positives? He could be quick and sneaky at times, was a natural born badass, and a had a wicked sense of humour. Magnificent 'fro as well. That good enough?