This has never been proven if you ever see the Schaaf second fight,[very doubtful] you will see that Schaaf was dragged back to his corner,and was unconscious for over 3 minutes.
He had three bouts in the nearly six months between Baer and Carnera, and won the latter two via sixth round knockout. In, "Primo Carnera: The Life and Career of the Heavyweight Boxing Champion," by Joseph S. Page, this is discussed at length. In a 2005 interview, Ernie's sister-in-law, Anita Schaaf expressed that while she enjoyed "Cinderella Man," also her disappointment to reporter Alan Tays that Max was implicated in her brother in law's death by Opie's movie, pointing instead to the influenza and meningitis which hospitalized him for four days within the three week period prior to facing Carnera. The entirety of Chapter Six, "The Death of Ernie Schaaf, 1933," spanning from pages 100 to 109 is readily available on Google Books, informative, and should be read by everyone who believes that Max might have been somehow responsible for the fatality. (If you Google the three words Ernie Schaaf flu, then that Google Books entry will directly appear at the top of the page. Take a few minutes to read those nine quick and easy pages, then get back to me.)
Max Baer was a great concussive right hand puncher, but Nat Fleischer always had Max Schmeling as the No.1 right hand puncher for his speed and accuracy ! In the Schmeling /Max Baer brawl in 1933, it seemed that Schmeling from the beginning seldom through his vaunted right hand, and when he did, either it was not too hard a punch as the famous right hands that kod JOE LOUIS,or Baer's concrete chin [and Baer had one], just absorbed the punches...Hmmm...
Not only that, but I noticed that Baer made liberal use of the cross armed defense, immediately covering up with it after unloading his right, denying Schmeling the opportunity to counter effectively with his own right. He confused Schmeling a bit in that one. This has been cited as one of the German's weakest performances on film, but how much of that was due to Baer's unpredictable, almost crazed mode of execution?
I think Schmeling himself described the Baer fight in his autobiography, along the lines of "I was simply outclassed."
I was always impressed with the number of flush shots Schmeling took from Baer without going down .. No doubt Baer was a big slugger but to me slightly over rated ... I believe Louis was a bigger puncher ... the way he was able to crush Schmeling, Carnera not to mention Baer shows this to me ..
Well, the round by round entirety of Baer-Schmeling is always available for study on MaxBaer.org (viewable in Firefox Mozilla) for anybody interested in watching.
thanks for the post, im no history buff to join in the rest of the debate's but... I been thinking that the gloves had a major factor and maybe the gum shield to some extent. Give Tyson the old gloves and let him unleash a uppercut on one of the old fighters he might of killed somebody..........
Scarey stuff, and his claiming that he 'held back' is somewhat believable when you consider he had killed previously. In 2003 RING magazine produced their list of the 100 greatest punchers. Their top 40 read: 1. Joe Louis 2. Sam Langford 3. Jimmy Wilde 4. Archie Moore 5. Sandy Saddler 6. Stanley Ketchell 7. Jack Dempsey 8. Bob Fitzsimmons 9. George Foreman 10. Earnie Shavers 11. Sugar Ray Robinson 12. Ruben Olivares 13. Wilfredo Gomez 14. Rocky Marciano 15. Sonny Liston This content is protected 17. Bob Foster 18. Thomas Hearns 19. Khaosai Galaxy 20. Alexis Arguello 21. Carlos Zarate This content is protected 23. Rocky Graziano 24. Matthew Saad Muhammad 25. Julian Jackson 26. Danny Lopez 27. Gerald McClellan 28. Roberto Duran 29. Rodrigo Valdez 30. Felix Trinidad 31. Pipino Cuevas 32. Jim Jefferies This content is protected 34. Bennie Briscoe 35. Marvin Hagler 36. Edwin Rosario 37. Tommy Ryan 38. John Mugabi 39. Joe Frazier 40. Carlos Monzon Thing to note here is top 100 greatest punchers, not top 100 hardest or most powerful punchers.
All that Baer would need in moving to the top of everybody's all time puncher's list would have been a serious attitude.