How Hard did Max Bear Punch?

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  1. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How hard did Max Bear punch?

    I'd say a maximum bear can swat hard enough to decapitate any human!
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This has never been proven if you ever see the Schaaf second fight,[very doubtful] you will see that Schaaf was dragged back to his corner,and was unconscious for over 3 minutes.
     
  3. Arminius

    Arminius Member Full Member

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    It said that Baer never fought the same after the Campbell fight. He feared killing other fighters.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had three bouts in the nearly six months between Baer and Carnera, and won the latter two via sixth round knockout.

    In, "Primo Carnera: The Life and Career of the Heavyweight Boxing Champion," by Joseph S. Page, this is discussed at length. In a 2005 interview, Ernie's sister-in-law, Anita Schaaf expressed that while she enjoyed "Cinderella Man," also her disappointment to reporter Alan Tays that Max was implicated in her brother in law's death by Opie's movie, pointing instead to the influenza and meningitis which hospitalized him for four days within the three week period prior to facing Carnera.

    The entirety of Chapter Six, "The Death of Ernie Schaaf, 1933," spanning from pages 100 to 109 is readily available on Google Books, informative, and should be read by everyone who believes that Max might have been somehow responsible for the fatality. (If you Google the three words Ernie Schaaf flu, then that Google Books entry will directly appear at the top of the page. Take a few minutes to read those nine quick and easy pages, then get back to me.)
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Allready read it.
     
  6. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    No doubt a huge right hand puncher ... hard enough to hurt anyone he could land on ...
     
  7. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Max Baer was a great concussive right hand puncher, but Nat Fleischer always had Max Schmeling as the No.1 right hand puncher for his speed and accuracy !
    In the Schmeling /Max Baer brawl in 1933, it seemed that Schmeling from the beginning seldom through his vaunted right hand, and when he did, either it was not too hard a punch as the famous right hands that kod JOE LOUIS,or Baer's concrete chin [and Baer had one], just absorbed the punches...Hmmm...
     
  8. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not only that, but I noticed that Baer made liberal use of the cross armed defense, immediately covering up with it after unloading his right, denying Schmeling the opportunity to counter effectively with his own right. He confused Schmeling a bit in that one. This has been cited as one of the German's weakest performances on film, but how much of that was due to Baer's unpredictable, almost crazed mode of execution?
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    I think Schmeling himself described the Baer fight in his autobiography, along the lines of "I was simply outclassed."
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I was always impressed with the number of flush shots Schmeling took from Baer without going down .. No doubt Baer was a big slugger but to me slightly over rated ... I believe Louis was a bigger puncher ... the way he was able to crush Schmeling, Carnera not to mention Baer shows this to me ..
     
  11. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, the round by round entirety of Baer-Schmeling is always available for study on MaxBaer.org (viewable in Firefox Mozilla) for anybody interested in watching.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    :good

    It's a good fight.
     
  13. wgain

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    thanks for the post, im no history buff to join in the rest of the debate's but...

    I been thinking that the gloves had a major factor and maybe the gum shield to some extent. Give Tyson the old gloves and let him unleash a uppercut on one of the old fighters he might of killed somebody..........
     
  14. The Spider

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    Scarey stuff, and his claiming that he 'held back' is somewhat believable when you consider he had killed previously.

    In 2003 RING magazine produced their list of the 100 greatest punchers. Their top 40 read:

    1. Joe Louis
    2. Sam Langford
    3. Jimmy Wilde
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Stanley Ketchell
    7. Jack Dempsey
    8. Bob Fitzsimmons
    9. George Foreman
    10. Earnie Shavers
    11. Sugar Ray Robinson
    12. Ruben Olivares
    13. Wilfredo Gomez
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Sonny Liston
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    17. Bob Foster
    18. Thomas Hearns
    19. Khaosai Galaxy
    20. Alexis Arguello
    21. Carlos Zarate
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    23. Rocky Graziano
    24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    25. Julian Jackson
    26. Danny Lopez
    27. Gerald McClellan
    28. Roberto Duran
    29. Rodrigo Valdez
    30. Felix Trinidad
    31. Pipino Cuevas
    32. Jim Jefferies
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    34. Bennie Briscoe
    35. Marvin Hagler
    36. Edwin Rosario
    37. Tommy Ryan
    38. John Mugabi
    39. Joe Frazier
    40. Carlos Monzon

    Thing to note here is top 100 greatest punchers, not top 100 hardest or most powerful punchers.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    All that Baer would need in moving to the top of everybody's all time puncher's list would have been a serious attitude.