How Hard Is A Klitschko Fight For Joe Louis?

Perhaps evolution was the wrong word to use.

But the styles of both brothers and their physical attributes are going to cause Louis problems.

Wlads holding is going to cause the most problems for Louis. Wlad is one of the hardest punchers ever (might be the hardest) and has decent accuracy. Louis has routinely been down in fights before but he has a better chin than Wlad. He also has better stamina. If he can survive into the latter rounds he can beat the younger Klitschko who always had stamina problems. Louis has good hand speed and is probably the best combination puncher at heavyweight with good power but if Wlad employs the jab jab grab strategy he's in for a rough night.

 

You have a point there in how WK isn't skilled enough to win in a fair boxing match. His success would be dependent on a ref that allows him jump all overs Joe's back.
But that's taking all the advantages away from Luis and giving them to Klitschko.
Not how things work in fantasy h2h match ups.
The fight would be fought on even terms with a ref that enforced the rules.
A no holding Wlad would get stun locked and finished whenever Luis connected
If the ref was extremely favourable to Luis. WK would be DQd after 3 rounds

 

Louis and Johnson vs the Klitschko Brothers in a TLC match who you got?

 

I think ultimately Jack climbs that ladder after Louis delivers a sneaky chair shot, but Wlad and Vitali have some high spots putting Joe through a table or two.

The Hardy Boyz or Dudleys, however, would take the prize if it’s a tag triple threat. Nobody does ladders better than the Hardyz nor tables better than the Dudleys ... but E&C are the best duo with chairs.

 

But Louis didn't mind punching up and had a full fledged inside game. I feel like the referee and ring size are huge factors here. Joe in 20 ft ring with Steve Smoger as ref is going to much better than in a 25 footer with Kenny Bayless or somebody.

 

I feel like Joe finally makes the heel turn and takes Jack out.

 

They were better outfighters.

 

Well it is difficult or impossible to argue with certain people these days.

I mean, there are random people who claim they are destroying little Bruce Lee or
Logan Paul said he is too big for Floyd regardless of the fact that Floyd
broke the Nose of a Wrester "Big Show" who actually weighs 440 Lbs.

Some people don´t understand how Boxing or Fighting in general works.
Joe Louis and Dempsey are wrote books about boxing and they are still relevant today.

Today there are so many professionals who don't even know the basic techniques.

And also big difference.
Punching Power is 99% Natural , can´t be trained. Some morons chose Fighters just by size.
Any Punch can change a fight.
Yes , even Dempsey from 100 years ago can cause enormous damage.
Why? Because Humans have not EVOLVED we have the same Punch resistance
than people 100 or 2000 years ago. Boxing is the most unique Sport.

 

Heavyweight "Champions" like Charles Martin , Sultan Ibragimov , Stiverne , Browne , Valuev
and many of the challengers of the horrible Klitschko era would not have
been relevant in the time before 2000, in any era.

Like Larry Holmes said: "at most that would be sparring partners"

 

Larry would have had to charge those guys for the privilege of sparring with him.

 

It would be an extremely tough fight for Louis BUT both Klitschkos had a habit of becoming very timid after being tagged flush, and this is something Louis could exploit down the line

I would pick Louis to KO Wlad in 7, put him to sleep no less

I would pick Louis to stop Vitali in 12 (quits on stool)

 

EXCELLENT analyses Balder.

Would you also say his arm punching supposed lack of power is overstated?

 

I am not sure how stated it is, so I can't answer that.

Considering that he is 6'7'', athletic (plyometrically able for such a large man), very strong and with sufficient speed, you would imagine that with more "textbook" technique, he would have been able to optimise and translate his physical power into technical power. Against a man of equal ability and physical attributes, such as Lennox Lewis, that may have made a difference. There is one movement in that bout where Klitschko clocks Lewis clean, but his technique is so ragged (starting from the feet and operating from a very wide stance) that although Lewis had to rally to overcome the punch, he was able to overcome the punch. If that was Wladimir's right hand, would he have floored Lewis? Very likely, but Wladimir probably would not have been able to rough Lewis up to get him in that position in the first place and may not have had the conviction to execute.

Over the course of his career, Vitali was never in a position, aside from that bout (potentially), to ever need to pull out one big punch. He was a prolific puncher in punches landed and would batter opponents into submission. Now, anybody who thinks Joe Louis would be able to take take that assault (because I cannot see how he could avoid it) is thinking so in hope rather than expectation because we have no basis to believe he would have been able to do so. This is like a man moving up 2 weight divisions. At least the smaller heavyweights of this era have benefited from the understanding and knowledge that such giants exist and they regularly train and spar with them. Louis had no such knowledge and he would probably be in a perplexing situation in figuring out how to approach this proposition. This is not a slant on Louis but only highlighting the limitations of cross-era pairings.

Another discussion can be had as to how Vitali would have developed his own arsenal if he were born in 1985-1990 and had Wilder, Joshua and Fury to contend with. Because of the height and reach of these competitors he may have felt that winning round after round would not be a formality and he may have developed a more "textbook" right hand which would have helped him overcome these opponents in a more sudden fashion with more one or two punch knockdowns and knockouts, as opposed to battering these other tall guys into submission with an advantageous physique over several rounds.

All of this points to the fact that boxers are only a product of their own era and that given enough time, it seems that the physical (not hypothetical) versions of the boxers which did exist can only crossover so far before the latter environment proves too big of a hurdle to overcome. If we are still here to see it, this will likely be the case with boxers in 2100 vs now. I add some extra years on top because I feel that the growth will slow considerably - but that's a whole different topic and far too long winded to post here.

 

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The Klitschko Brothers are levels above the Baer Brothers, especially Vitali

 

Why do you think that , because you believe Louis would walk forward face first into everything Vitali thew at him? In that case you don't know a whole lot about Joe Louis because he would do anything but plod forward like Chris Arroela or a shot Sam Peters.

If you knew anything about Louis you'd know he had great ability to jab , counter and strike fast with pinpoint accuracy even when just outside of range. He may have stalked slowly and patiently , but once he got close , he struck hard and fast.
I just don't see how Vitali could avoid such a perfectly timed fast , accurate attack tbh.
He didn't have any ability to parry like Louis did. He didn't have the ability to counter and moving back in straight lines with his hands down left his entire physical structure open to Joe's renowned body attack.

Furthermore Vitali didn't have the reach of a SHW . All the big guys Louis pummeled had longer reaches than Vitali. Primo had an 85 inch reach
Vitali's was 79 , not that much longer than Joe's 76. Fact is Joe battered guys Vitali's size all throughout his career. The best guy Vitali fought that was the same size as Luis was Byrd. We saw the skill of Byrd force Vitali to quit on his stool. . Louis was better than Byrd in every way.

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Thats what the fight would look like.. Not as easy for Luis but you get a good idea of how it would play out. . You'll scoff at Simion being used as an opponent to prove a point , but then you are you going to compare Louis to , 40 Briggs , Herbie Hide , Arroela?
Vitali beat nobody. There isn't a name on his winning record that Wilder couldn't beat , especially the versions of those names he beat.