How has boxing evolved from the early years.

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Hagiographer Full Member

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    Hands low, leaning back for much of it.


    Leaning back isn't even vaguely rare or unusual now.
     
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  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again, Fitzsimmons stopped some very durable fighters. He stopped Jack Dempsey who was seen as basically impossible to stop (outside of backhand punch in very long fight). He stopped durable HWs like Sharkey or Ruhlin in quick fashion despite being old. He stopped unbeaten Dan Creedon who lost all of his durability after Fitz almost killed him.

    I don't find it to be that unlikely, but that's definitely not the only possible scenario. Maybe Fitz wouldn't land enough to stop either of them, but I don't find him crude or unskilled in film we have. Maybe you do, but I don't and I'm not the only one who shares this opinion.
     
  3. BitPlayerVesti

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    Afterwards he went on a good run until meeting Kid McCoy.

    He went 20 rounds with Joe Walcott twice even after that, and fought Tommy West to a draw, and he wasn't looking after himself or training properly, from what I've read, from around the time he was in England.
     
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  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very physically burn you Full Member

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    From the 60s to now I don't see too much change. From before that quite a bit. Most of the guys from Dempsey's era and earlier look awful, wailing away with slow windmill punches then falling into clinches where they took turns exchanging uppercuts and bodyshots till the ref broke them up, or laughably attempting to jab like a fencer at range with their chins in the air. Many of the HWs in Louis's day also looked terrible, like the ridiculous Tony Galento or windmill/backhand punching Max Baer. There were a few crude fighters in later generations, but by and large they began to make up a smaller percentage of top fighters.
     
  5. BitPlayerVesti

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    Could old lean-back Mayweather compete with a modern boxer, or would he be too primitive?
     
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  6. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    this is the foolishness I am talking about . They didnt fall into the clinch , modern guys fell into the clinch in fact the guys back then were VERY VERY GOOD at getting POSITIONING in the clinch. As in an optimal position for them and their opponent a bad position.
     
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  7. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao I teach 16 year olds who have a better understanding of boxing then you. You should see a psychologist about your narcissism. In all seriousness. I find your posts narcissistic and completely irrelevant. Don’t flatter yourself.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're a charity case, yes.

    :lol:

    You live in a distorted reality, where you actually seem to believe your very basic knowledge of boxing is something special. Been there, done it. It's nothing. Please stop taking yourself so seriously. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough ? It's boring citing your posts again to show where you completely discredit yourself. It's been done already, several times. So let's not go there again. Nice to see you here though. :thumbsup:
     
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  9. Samtotheg

    Samtotheg Active Member Full Member

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    this is my video on h ow boxing has devolved! its not the greatest of quality but i focus on education not entertainment
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Notice the modernistas stopped using the term “herky jerky” to criticize old fighters since Fury’s performance in Düsseldorf :D
     
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  11. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    @janitor
    @Seamus

    Fellas?
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This, lighters weights such as middle weight and below looked decent in the 40s such as George Benton who possed the modern day Philly Shell style. But heavyweights that weighed 175lb or over before the 40s looked incredibly rudimentary. The fundamentals were there but most heavyweights were crude except a select few. You just didn't see much complex defensive dynamics with the 175+ men back in the dempsey days except dempsey himself and even then he was pretty unrefined. You teleport somebody mediocre like Joseph Parker in the early 1900s and he would clean house due to his clear size advantage and he more refined techniques. Ezzard Charles looks ok on tape but again, he's from the 40s. At that point in time you saw the old school stance really shift into typical modern day guards. Probably due to a shift in glove material, rules and an overall evolution of the sport.
     
  13. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich New Member Full Member

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    Benton's prime was in the 1960's and saying Ezzard Charles looks ok on film is a huge understatement imo.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    Nice music !
     
  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is an understatement tbh he looked good. It's just that his opponents didn't and my mistake he's from the 50s but he got trained before then in the late 40s