i.e. Is Joe Rogan right when he says he has never seen anything lie Loma in all his years watching combat sports?
And regressed in others. I'm not gonna delve deep into the can-of-worms of a thread you started. Look up what "Hitchens's razor" is
I would not put a lot of stock in Rogan between his HGH, steroid use, Marijuana, fondling Dana Whites gonads, sucking up to the Gracie propaganda machine, stand up comedy, the Joe Rogan experience podcast, BJJ, Tae Kwon Do, and political pontificating he does see himself as a pseudo intellectual (know it all)..... Loma is a once in a lifetime talent a combination of WIllie Pep defense, best foot work in the sports history IMO, solid chin and a Roberto Duran cruelness he is something else....outboxing bigger fighters is not good enough he likes snatching their souls and humiliating top tier talents......I would put RJJ in the same class of ATG talents as Loma. Rules Equipment shoes gloves safety video money mainstream media travel ease nutrition I am not one that thinks fighters are better just because of evolved era fighters fought under a different time and boxing values of fans change somewhat, fans like aesthetic styles they always have, but they have always loved the brutality of a great fight. Their are too many variables that have changed the sport but the intangibles do not change.....If I take a fighter from 1897 and time warped him into modern fights well know kidding under todays rules etc.....yeah he loses the sport would be foreign but the same thing applies to taking a Loma back to 1897 he would struggle....yes he would struggle in a different ring, leather bottom shoes requiring resin between rounds, mouthguards were different, groin protection, rules and no modern equipment and technology IMO the quality of a fighter relevant to his era and rules never changes either we feel his talent transcends eras or it does not, Jack Johnson born in 1985 is in his core the same man and would do well raised in a modern era Of course todays fighters smaller than 6'3" and 225 are almost too small to be competitive at Hvy I would argue we haven't seen a fighter of that size and quality for 15-20+ yrs with the exception of Povetkin whom was side stepped quite a but until he got older and it showed.....he was beaten by Klitchko because Klitchko was an excellent fighter and his style was a bad matchup for him not just because of size.
You are funny! And I thought I was a big Loma fan! Anyway I amof the school that it has not really evolved, outside of certain changes to the sport. Reduction of rounds through the years down to 12, have altered game plans, pace and endurance type of things. Same day weigh ins have changed weight at fight time, but for me it has not evolved much if at all
The biggest differences seem to revolve around improved distance control and all the technical and strategic differences it entails.
I know you and I differ on our opinions of this and am not looking to debate this topic today....but out of curiosity would you mind sharing an approximate time frame this evolution takes place (70’s, 40’s, 20’s 1800’s) or if there are multiple periods of evolution...once again not looking to argue or debate just curious how the other side views these changes real or imagined.
Not too sure. Probably happened incrementally and varied by weight class, and there are always exceptions and anomalies. But the most obvious example is the heavyweight division, post-Ali. This approach to boxing accentuates the advantages of taller, rangier, and more coordinated fighters, so you see a lot more big men moving around and scoring points and keeping distance behind their jabs and long-range 1-2s, and a LOT less mid-range trading and guys slugging it out with wide hooks and haymakers. And if you go back 80+ years the differences are even more clear. You can even see plenty of the most revered technicians then lunging in with one power punch at a time (often a naked lead hook or cross) and then falling into clinches.
Other than the obvious changes - equipment, fewer rounds, bigger purses, etc. - I believe the biggest change, is that the sport today is much more international than before, with the US no longer holding what used to be almost a monopoly on world champions/title bouts. Made possible, of course, with today's much easier travel. As for the never-ending evolved/devolved question - this depends on what you want your eyes to see. So it's hard to imagine, that some sort of consensus will ever be reached.
