Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by dmt, Sep 19, 2022.
I think he deserves to be significantly higher to be honest, but it depends on your criteria.
In order to add fighters to your top ten…
I don't have any lists for any weights, fighters and the like, I'm saying 'IF' I had such lists they would eternally remain the same with NEW Fighters Added, as they came along.
someone else can move such a list around 'numerically' IF thats there thing. I don't make lists.
Also IF I made such lists, they would ONLY Be Head to Head - Who's (Possibly), Better than who, based on ERA's, Fight Records, Opponents, Reports, Ratings and Circumstances,did they ALL get a Shot, and/or Champion and did some get Frozen Out...
Head to Head, as above, is the ONLY accurate (as near as that can be), way to evaluate Fighters.
Head to head comparisons across eras are completely impossible to falsify, therefore they can't be called accurate.
Fighters wouldn't get as much money if they fought 20 times a year. You pay for scarcity, not for abundance.
NO of course not, but obviously in the 1st instance you would access that of Fighters who fought against one another in their own times, and then just 'TRY' Gage that against other fighters over different Era's... at the end of the day it is only Speculative Analyses, but it is still more representative & complimentory to fighters... Dozens & Hundreds of them.
That's why I don't do lists, they are an Absolute Impossibilty to be accurate.
"AMONG" the greatest Fighters, as I always say.
Wilder was never the best or 2nd best? Seriously?
He may very well be second best right now let alone a couple of years ago when he was champion.
Wlad does not make my top 10 either precisely because of the reasons you have listed. The modern refereeing allowed him to get away with extreme excessive leaning, clinching, and holding. It allowed him to wear down smaller opponents. Like i said, he should have been disqualified multiple times. Great athlete and in terms of accomplishments he is top 10 but he does not make my top 10 because of his style.
Your list has gotten a lot better man, definitely one of the best lists i(if not the best) n the thread the second time around.
Wilder, Weaver and Witherspoon but no Schmeling, Ingo or perennial contender. Rough
Well, you may think highly of him h2h but his resume is extremely weak for that. I'd definitely take Joshua career over his and Usyk is clearly ahead of him right now (probably not yet in all-time ranking though)
Joshua never showed anywhere near the heart Wilder did in those Fury fights. AJ gave up against Ruiz. Wilder held the title five years, made 10 defenses, and never stopped trying against a better fighter (Fury).
Wilder is the second best heavyweight in the world until Usyk beats someone other than the bodybuilder (who is the fourth best heavyweight in the world).
Wilder has is probably before AJ, Ruiz, Usyk and arguably a few others in quality wins. The man beat Ortiz…that’s it. No one else worth mentioning. Ortiz isn’t exactly a world beater either. Ten defenses of not a real title aagainst ten nobodies means nothing. Only one champ in most people’s minds. So to me he really didn’t have any defenses because he was never “the man”.
He held the WBC belt, pretty coveted belt over the decades. Look at who's held it before him.
I could even use the Fury fights as simple proof of his being over AJ. AJ NEVER showed anywhere near the courage of Wilder in those last two fights with Fury. Not even close.
AJ gave up when he took the worse beating of his career. Wilder took two bad beatings, came back until he couldn't anymore.
That makes AJ the fake "champ" imo. He beat an even more past it Wlad than Fury faced. Then who? The Pilsbury dough boy, whom I don't think would make it past Wilder either (since Wilder doesn't just give up).
No disrespect intended.