How has your all time heavyweight list changed over the past 10-15 years?

Wilder knocked himself out did he ? sorry mate had to have a little fun at your expense with that typo no offence intended.

 

Bowe didn’t fight Lewis.
Holmes didn’t fight Thomas.
Dempsey didn’t fight Wills.

 

Eh. I tend to think of Holmes and Ali as generally equivalent in who they would beat H2H. I think the Holmes who showed up to fight Norton would take out Liston without too much issue.

 

Yeah I'm not seeing how Holyfield is above Lewis on any list.

I think if you consider Holyfield's overall accomplishments in the sport of boxing, he's way up there, but when we are talking about weight classes, I think we need to stick to what they accomplished at that weight class.

 

Holmes-Thomas would have been a hell of a fight.

 

Fair enough. I'll concede he didn't quit, but was more or less out of it and had nothing left.

But that is a deviation from the main argument, that Wilder was never a top 2 fighter in the world. Before Fury's return, and Usyk moving up, he was no worse than number 2.

 

Bowe is not on my list.

Thomas was the logical best/second best for a lifetime less than Vitali was. Hugely different scale. The knock on Holmes is that he avoided multiple of the strongest challengers late career, post Witherspoon.

Dempsey is not on my list.

 

Wlad's time on top was 2005 to 2015. During that time, Vitali was only active from 2008 to 2012 and didn't "save" Wlad from anyone. Vitali actually fought Peter after Wlad beat him. And it's not Vitali's fault that the decent guys he beat never put it together enough to challenge Wlad.

If you're gonna discount a ten year title reign because Wlad didnt rematch Sanders before he even started that reign, then you should take a second to think about why Louis is basically the only other guy who stayed on top for that long.

 

Feel free to do a numerical list yourself

Wlad wasn't top in 2005, who are you trying to kid? It's debatable for some whether he truly separated himself from the pack at the time prior to Vitali returning. He had what, 5 fights after Vitali retired again prior to losing to Fury. Weak uninspired era's too with two standout guys at the top who never fought.

More than happy having him just outside the 10. 10-15 somewhere. Far better judges than myself have him outside the 10.

 

He had like 9 or 10 title defenses plus the Peter fight when Vitali wasn't even fighting. And guys like Povetkin, Peter, Pulev, and Byrd are included in that who would've been lineal champions in other eras. And then there are the ten or so defenses when Vitali was active.

I forgot that the Peter fight wasn't for a belt, meaning he was merely on top for a decade. Surely the guy with one title defense who mostly feasted on 190 pounders and the guy with two legit title defenses and no stamina should rank ahead of him. And the guy with the long reign who avoided unifying like Wlad and lost to a light heavyweight (rather an ATG heavyweight) should be enshrined to the point where Wlad doesn't even deserve mention next to him.

 

Man, what a bore you are. Stay with your ilk in General, what don't you.

 

Well at least i have the balls to throw up a list in numerical order.

For ****s sake do a list and get it all out of your system.

 

Years ago I had Tyson way above Holyfield but not sure now.
I also rate Wlad higher than I did.

 

You seem upset.