How Heavy is your Heavybag

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Ethan Trims, Oct 18, 2007.


  1. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BMI is complete and utter bollox. If we went by BMI nearly all bodybuilders would be listed as obese. The thing doesn't take body fat levels into account which is stupid and wrong.
     
  2. Filmnpuck

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    Okay, I've never been a calorie counter, so maybe you're right. (Although I don't skip breakfast or eat fast food.) I'll try and post what I consider a typical day of eating, as my schedule is constantly changing.

    Breakfast: Bowl of shredded wheat or oatmeal (oatmeal if it's cold, shredded wheat if it's hot). Some berries in with the cereal or oatmeal. Banana. Glass of this "Green Plant Juice" from Trader Joe's.

    Sometime before lunch: I try to make sure I always have some hard-boiled eggs on hand and I'll eat one as a snack. If I don't have any, then a granola bar, protein bar, some nuts, pita and hummas, apple, anything to kind of keep me going.

    Lunch: PB&J on whole-wheat bread. Good helping of non-fat cottage cheese. Usually another piece of fruit. A glass of chocolate soy milk (because I think it's delicious) if I have some on hand. Other kinds of sandwhiches work their way in the rotation as well.

    Sometime before dinner: Some sort of snack like the one mentioned above.

    Dinner: Varies. A lot of times I'll make a salad with Romaine lettuce, a whole tomato, bunch of carrots, Feta cheese (regular), Balsamic vinegarette dressing, and a chicken breast chopped up in there. But a lot of times I like to make a huge amount of something hearty that I can just heat up and keep on hand for a few days, like lasagna with whole-grain noodles, Chili, etc.

    Dessert: Cup of berries, cup of Kashi Crunch cereal, cup of yogurt swirled together. Delicious.


    Looking at this list, you're definitely right in that I could eat more. I probably wouldn't need much more to put me over the top. I've been thinking about just biting the bullet and buying some whey powder and adding one of those per day to my diet, but I'd prefer to do it naturally.
     
  3. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm just saying I've never met a girl who finds it attractive that you both can share clothes :D Seriously though, I don't see why you would want to be that thin, I mean it gives you no advantages in life... EAT.
     
  4. Filmnpuck

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    Okay, point noted, but that's why it allows for exceptions.

    Besides, by reversing your logic, you could just as easily say that it's bullocks because all marathon runners would be listed as underweight or starvation. Just because someone comes in UNDER a certain weight doesn't mean that they're unhealthy anymore than someone who comes in OVER a certain weight is unhealthy.
     
  5. Filmnpuck

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    Whatever. I do just fine with girls without your help, thanks.
     
  6. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure I'm missing some stuff out but I used to eat this in an average day:

    Bowl of Oatmeal
    2x Bananas
    2½ Litres milk[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
    2x 50g Cashew nuts
    Orange
    3x Tuna sandwiches with lettuce (65g tuna per sandwich)
    Fruit and nut bar
    3x Protein shakes
    Apple
    500g Chicken
    Lettuce
    50g Cheese
    250g Yogurt
     
  7. viru§™

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    I wouldn't list a marathon runner as healthy, and yes, I would list most as underweight. Being able to run 25 miles does not make you healthy.
     
  8. Nwil

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    I don't see how filmnpuck is unhealthly. if he exercises and eats well, he's fine. some stuff is just genetic

    I'm 5-9/10 and 140 give or take, with a 100 lb. bag. that may seem skinny to some, but I'm young and have a very fast metabolism. I eat healthy, and enough, and even have gone on small streaks of pigging out (past vacations, only a week or so) with little exercise, and no extra lbs. or fat to show for it.

    there's this thing called a 'set point'....learned it in psych....it's your natural weight range and is very hard to change.
     
  9. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who told you this? It sounds like BS to me. Give a link to some info, I've never heard of it.
     
  10. Nwil

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    a published textbook. I could get the name and author(s), if you want.
     
  11. Lostmykeys

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    They teach the same thing at my school

    But half the stuff at my school is bull**** anyways.
     
  12. viru§™

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    Sounds like another excuse for overweight people to me. To gain weight you eat more, to lose weight you eat less, it's as simple as that (also with the addition of exercise etc). It's easy to disprove:

    Christian Bale - Machinist/Batman Begins

    In 2004 (apparently in only a few months) he lost a whopping 63lbs/4.5 stone for his role as an insomniac in the machinist. his co-stars have since claimed that he was even eager to lose more weight during filming and had to be stopped by the director.
    as if that wasn’t enough he then immediately had to stuff his face in order to play Batman. he gained, in the space of 6 months, a ridiculous 100lbs/7 stone! how in ****’s name do you do that? over a stone a month?! must’ve been tricky finding time to get down the gym in between shoving chicken down his gullet and sitting on the toilet.

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    How is this possible if your body has it's own set weight?
     
  13. radianttwilight

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    Just because a "set weight" exists doesn't mean you can't lose weight beyond that, especially if you crash diet (like he almost certainly was), and the fact that he put the weight back on easily SUPPORTS that claim, because it would show that his body was "eager" to return to something similar to his set point.

    Look at it this way - when some boxers start training camp they weigh in at ridiculously high weights (think Vargas), but it is rather easy for them to lose weight down to a certain point, which is enough if that is under the weight limit they need to make. Some guys, though, simply CANNOT get under a certain weight without extreme measures (dehydration, partial starvation), even if that weight is considered "normal" for their height.

    Example - Manny Pacquaio is 5'6" and walks into fights at 145ish. That's actually fairly heavy for a professional athlete (and boxers train harder/longer/more fully than almost any other athlete in the world). We know he struggles making 130 for weigh-ins, even with using things like saunas, dehydration, fasting, etc. I know guys who are 5'9+ and walk around at <130lbs, and they are neither training nor eating healthy. Some guys are just HEAVIER than others.

    It's partially an excuse for fatasses to believe that they can't control their own weight - I don't believe that anyone's "set point" would be inside the realm of obesity, but I do believe that a person's weight tends to stabilize at a certain point, all other factors equal. It's a matter of build, really...if there was no such thing as a maximum limit for weight loss than Diego Corrales would've been a short lightweight :good instead of a ridiculously tall one.
     
  14. viru§™

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    It's BS. Your body doesn't suddenly think "hmmmm I'm about 5'10" so I'd say I should weigh about 165lbs". Your weight depends on your activity level and what you eat. If you want to believe all these excuses, go ahead.
     
  15. Filmnpuck

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    It's not that hard to wrap your head around, dude. I mean, there is a lot about us that is completely locked in to genetics, such as height and eye color, skeletal structure, etc., etc. Certainly body weight is more elastic than those other features, but to say that your natural body weight doesn't have anything to do with your genetic makeup is kind of obtuse.

    I mean, just take a look at your family. My dad has four brothers, and they're all built in a very similar way. Is that a coincidence? I have two brothers, and they're built similar to me. We live hundreds of miles from each other, and have undoubtedly different diets and levels of activity, yet our body types are very similar.