How Heavy is your Heavybag

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Ethan Trims, Oct 18, 2007.


  1. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Get a water bag ----- Powerair (from Buffalo).
    80 - 90 lbs. is all you need.
    Its heavy enough for anyone.
    Wont hurt your hands.
    You can get some real penetration, just like hitting a real person.
    Be advised,
    anything heavier and harder will not make you hit harder.
     
  2. Ethan Trims

    Ethan Trims Active Member Full Member

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    How did you come to this conclusion.

    According to Cus D amato , the heavier the bag, the harder your muscles work and the stronger you become. Thats why tyson had around a 300 pound bag.
     
  3. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BS. Added resistance (heavier bag) = increase in strength due to the muscles working harder to move a heavier load.
     
  4. gallagher430

    gallagher430 Member Full Member

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    I hate water bags so much, i think they're totally worthless compared to regular leather bags.
     
  5. yung-gun1

    yung-gun1 New Member Full Member

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    If you have a fast metabolism, this isn't enough. The biggest problem I see hear is: Breakfast is supposed to be the biggest and most important meal of the day. I suggest to add about 5-8 eggs. Omelet, scrambled, whatever.

    Second: You supposebly "extremely fast" metabolism, you shouldbe getting more meals and more calories. Not going to bother looking for the total calories there but I'm guessing around... 3500. This isn't bad, but I suggest eating more spread out meals, along with a meal directly before bed. Breakfast, small snacks(a fruit, some milk, and I personally have a PBJ), Lunch, 2 small Snacks, Dinner, Before bed snack. Be sure to have at least 500-1000 calories each meal, and about 25-50 carbs, around 50 for the big meals and 10-25 for the small meals. Don't exlude fat from your diets, as to be healthy you need fats.

    Third: If your dedicated and really looking to gain, limit cardio. Heavy bag and speed bad, sprinting and sparring should be kept. I suggest limiting long-distance running to 1 day /week.

    Forgot. Don't neglect water, which as I boxer I'm sure you dont.
     
  6. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You get strong by exercise (not that hitting the bag isnt exercise).
    The intent of hitting the bag is to develope speed/power/ and technique.
    You want to be loose and relaxed so you sure that all of your energy is at the end of the punch.
    When you hit the bag --- sure, you put your body into it.
    Your arm is just an extension of your body.
    You want to get the feeling of penetrating the bag --- just like hitting a real body.
    Sharp hard penetrating punches.
    You will not get that hitting a hard immovable object.
    There are alot of boxers who are not that big who can hit like a mule.
    I hae seen a few little guys knock out big strong guys with one shot.
    Also, Powerair Fitness in Buffalo.
    Get their catalogue.
    They have quite an assortment of water bags --- different shapes and they go much bigger than 100 lbs and have cells in then making it more difficult to penetrate for big guys.
    They best gyms are using predominantly water bags.
    God Bless Cus D'amato --- but I dont believe there were water bags back then.
    And remember your hands and wrists.
    Take care of them or you will have big time arthritis problems by the time your 50.
    Guys that say water bags are a waste of time should attach a brain to their body.
    Good Luck.
     
  7. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now what is your purpose for hitting a heavy bag.
    Is it to get stronger or hit harder and develope knock out power.
    If this is what you want --- then its a combinbation of speed, power, timing, and technique --- not strenght and muscles.
    You want to be totally loose and relaxed so that all of your energy is at the end of the punch.
    You want to hit so that it feels like you are penetrating inside the bag.
    Just like hitting a person.
    Powerair Fitnes in Buffalo have an assortment of water bags --- diferent shapes and sizes --- some alot bigger than 100 lbs with cells inside making it tougher for bigger guys (if thats what you are looking
    for). I have see alot of big muscle guys get starched by little guys with just one shot. And of see big guys club guys all day long and they still cant put them down.
    You get the picture.
     
  8. Filmnpuck

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    I realize that this is really old news, but I never read this post before and I cannot ****ing believe this dude suggested that I eat 6-9 eggs per day.
     
  9. truepwrz

    truepwrz getting better and better Full Member

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    i weigh 150 at 5'11 and use 40lb bag to practice counter punching and 100lb bag for normal bagwork

    as for filmnpuck, why not try to ad a gallon of whole milk a day to your diet, a gallon of milk by itself has about 128g of protein and 2400 calories =) never hurts to eat more if you workout enough
     
  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm 6'1 1/2 and weigh 132 pounds.Same weight for 10 years.Some peoples metabolisms burn alot quicker then others.
     
  11. Nico

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    I have a 100 pound heavy bag, but I should have probably gotten something lighter. I am always hurting my hands on the damn thing no matter what steps I take to prevent it from happening.
     
  12. sivaru

    sivaru Fire Full Member

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    Im 6'4 250 pounds and the heavy bag we use at our gym is 120 pounds
     
  13. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    Did you just necro a 7 month old thread?
     
  14. colin7878

    colin7878 Active Member Full Member

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    I am 6ft 130lbs and use 100lb bag
     
  15. TKDfighterJoe

    TKDfighterJoe Oneshot Knockout Full Member

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    I'm 145 and about 5'11

    I just ordered a 150 lb pow air heavy bag. From what I hear they are the best quality wise. we used to own one but back then I was too young to hit it.

    I read up on the subject a bit. 1st off a water filled bag wont be as damaging to your ligaments and tendons because it is absorbative. Also, it has a closer consistency to that of a human body because it if filled with fluid. It wont become heavier at the bottom over time so it lasts longer.

    I heard that tyson always trained with a water-filled bag. 300 pounds wouldn't surprise me considering his power and weight. I've seen some of his training videos and the bag is obviously water filled.

    They will tend to sway less which may be a disadvantage for some boxers, however they allow penetration. when you strike a bag at full power you do tear a lot of muscle fiber. It's explosive and high impact, of course you will. if you are punching a classic bad that doesn't allow penetration you will only tear muscle fiber relevant to getting your fist to that point. If you punch a water filled bag you will develop the muscles relevant to penetrating with power, resulting in more powerful strikes.

    I will be doing extensive kicking on it to develop power, as well as some punching. It's about my weight so that's perfect, just like the people I'll be hitting. Though striking at full power with my bare foot will take a few weeks to get used to, the rubber skin and no foam padding should be pretty rough on my foot, but that's what I want. Toughening up your foot greatly reduces pre-kick hesitation.

    anywho, pow air bags are the best.

    link to the bag I got: http://www.balazsboxing.com/cgi-bin/catalog2.cgi?action=page&page=gear|training%20accessories|heavy%20bags|water|BL0600

    also, bladder in it is guaranteed up to 3 years.