How Heavyweight Prospects Stack Up In My Estimation From Great Right Down To Crappy.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I figured I'd go on a Youtubing Marathon of HW prospects, and.... Here's how I see it.:D


    Great - Top Tier.
    Oleksandr Usyk

    Good/Really Good - Might End Up Being Great, or at least Top 10.
    Filip Hrgovic
    Joe Joyce
    Efe Ajagba
    Evgeny Tischenko
    Nathan Gorman
    Ivan Dychko
    Murat Gassiev
    Michael Hunter
    Tony Yoka
    Arslanbek Makhmudov

    Decent/Fair - Could Win An Insignificant Belt.
    Bakhodir Jalolov
    Robert Alfonso
    Oleksandr Teslenko
    Rostislov Plechko
    Andrey Afonin
    Oscar Rivas
    Martin Bakole Ilunga
    Agit Kabayel
    Agron Smakici
    George Arias
    Sergey Kuzmin
    Evgeny Romanov
    Vladyslav Sirenko
    Trey Morrison
    Adam Kownacki
    Daniel Dubois
    Jermaine Franklin

    So So/Average - They'll Be Decent Journeymen.
    Hemi Ahio
    Michael Wallisch
    Tom Schwarz
    Tyrone Spong
    Zhilel Zhang
    Con Sheehan
    Tshibuabua Kalonga
    Otto Wallin
    Oleksandr Zakhozhyi
    Trevor Bryan
    Willis Meehan
    Demsey McKean
    Apti Davtaev
    Simon Kean
    Junior Fa
    Peter Milas

    Crappy/Awful - Future Stay Busy Opponents.
    Zsolt Bogdan
    Zamig Atakishiyev
    Mario Daser
    Niall Kennedy
    Raphael Tronche
    Justin Jones
    Junlong Zhang
    Pierre Madsen
    Matteo Modugno
    Fecundo Nahule Simal
    Mladen Miljas
    Lukasz Rozanski
    Darmani Rock
    Ali Eren Demirezen
    Erzen Rrustemi
    Kash Ali
    Gregory Corbin
    Umut Camkiran
    James McKenzie Morrison
    Jean Pierre Augustin
    Cassius Chaney
     
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  2. MarcelCerdan13

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    This seems pretty spot on to me. Only changes I’d make would be to maybe switch Gorman and Jalolov and move Zhang and Spong up to the decent category. I’d also throw the Australian prospect Joe Goodall into that category.
     
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  3. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    At this point I doubt Vlad Sirenko will be a real champion. :ohno In one of recent interviews Ali Bashir was quite frustrated that Vlad's having difficulties to step up in the level of his opposition...
    He's fighting another "elite" opponent (this guy: http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/131285) on December 15.
     
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  4. SmackDaBum

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    Where is Teslenko?
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :eusa_doh:He was one of the main guys I was going to throw in the Decent/Fair list, then I got distracted, I forgot to go back and add him. I threw him up there now, thanks for reminding me.:thumbsup:
     
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  6. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Fair list but Spong has never been average at anything. It is unfair to have him in that category you should move him up because that guy can bang.

    He was a professional striking coach for elite level kickboxers and MMA fighters.

    And big hopes for Nathan Gorman lol?
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Left off Dubois.

    Gorman top tier? Just doesn't look like he has the skill set to me. I could be wrong.

    Gassiev has not had a single heavyweight fight yet.

    Yoko already having PEDS problems.

    Both Morrison's are garbage.

    Wallisch is he next Boytsov. He will never have a big fight.

    Miljas has already surpassed the awful level by beating Dillon Carmen.

    Davtaev has been around forever and going nowhere. I think you give him too much credit.
     
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  8. covetousjuice

    covetousjuice Putin did nothing wrong

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    I’m surprised you think so little of Mladen.

    And so much of Dychko.

    Dychko seems to be doing awful with his pro career.
     
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    houmzz Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not convinced by his defense, not looking good.
     
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  10. Vykus

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    Dychko has medaled Gold, Silver and Bronze at multiple Olympic games, World and Asian championships, Miljas is a bodybuilder/martial artist learning his trade in the pro game. I like both, but there is no comparison in talent/technically ability at this stage, Dychko KO1.
     
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  11. Komaster

    Komaster Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joseph Goodall might get a commonwealth shot IMO. Cant see him being a champ or even a contender for a major title. Don't see it myself, he's lost 3 times to Nyika. Maybe I'm missing something
     
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    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This, Also an absolute elite kickboxer
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  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That's awesome, but the keyword is.... MMA. He's competent, but nothing special. A bunch of KO1's don't mean diddly squat to me if all you're KO1ing are tin cans.

    Unlike Spong, Gorman has actually faced a few non tin cans, and performed surprisingly well against them, and I'm seeing improvement from fight to fight, he's around Hughie Fury level. Which means he'll do better than most and he's at the lower end of good, but probably won't prove to be a world beater.
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Dubois is on there.
    Gorman I just covered.
    Yoka may have a PED problem and a chin problem, but I think his skillset will get him to a alphabet title.
    One is, Trey's power alone could get him up to solid journeyman status, don't have high hope for either.
    Wallish will probably get his ass beat by Hammer, I agree.
    As far as Miljas goes, what @Vykus said.
    Davtaev is slightly above crap, that's not saying much.:lol:
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Defense could use some work, and needs an opponent that'll last more than 1 round, but the fundamentals are there, if he can put them all together, he's fast, has power, is rangy and quick feet, that alone will get him further than most. Although I do think he's packing glass. But hey, if Breazeale can scrap the top 10, so can Ivan.
     
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