How high can Money, Pac and Bhop go ?

without getting too much into the PED debate, i think it all balanced out in the end. some fighters do, some fighter don't. there were conditions in previous eras wherein some fighters had advantages over others. i'm not saying pac is juicing, or he isn't. but in the end fighters of all eras will use whatever tools and advantages they have to win.

 

Why would anyone want to clean a shower out of a vagina? Way to **** up trying to be funny there.

Nowhere did I say that you implied anything to do with PEDs, you clearly didn't. Trying to pick a fight out of nothing as usual I see.

You bore me.

 

who, pac? could be, never thought of it. and i do think he had a damn fair chance to beat ross, ambers and especially garcia (course so did armstrong from i've seen). the thing is pac DIDN'T and we need to judge what he did do. h2h, i see him on about par with armstrong for the reason you said: he'd beat most of the same guys armstrong did but his resume just needs a touch of seasoning

 

Its as clear as day that old man Janitard's venomous comment was hinting at Pac being on steroids. PowerPuncher is just a black ******* sometimes and McGrain for some reason has had a slip up and become McGraintard for this thread

 

To me, the comment seemed absolutely clear as day, and I fully expect Janitor to confirm that was his intention. I really don't understand how those guys could have taken what he said any differently.

"Fighter A achieved something"

"Yeah but fighter B achieved it without steroids"

Where exactly is the room for confusion here? :huh

 

billy madison is a terrible movie and yet i can't help enjoying it

 

Powerpuncher can definatley tie his own velcro, he knows what was insinuated. he is just very anti-pac and pro-mayweather. Its masked becuase he has alot more to say than just the endless debate.But he's definatley a high ranking *****.

McGrain probably sees Janitard as good natured and wouldnt suspect he'd stoop to that level. But Janitard is very passive aggressive and clever with his remarks, which make them all them vicious to me. I think he feels threatened by Pacquiao's exploits, he spends so much time arguing that modern fighters are incapable of feats that the past fighters accomplished.

 

All I have taken from this rather rubbish thread has been your term "McGraintard". That's fun.

 

I agree with Emanuel Steward when he says that Pacquiao's greatness is built on what he did a few years ago (Barrera, Morales etc.) and less so on this much-hyped moved up to welterweight.

I mean, the last fight was way over-hyped, for a meaningless vacant 154-pound title, made at 150 !, between two guys who don't deserve to even be rated as the top light-middles.

I don't think Pacquiao can improve his all-time ranking much by fighting these sorts of fights.