How high do you rank Joe Louis H2H at heavyweight?

Which world class heavyweights did Frazier actually destroy?

 

What?

 

I seriously doubt there will ever be a combination puncher of that level again.

Only Charles comes close to prime Ali and even he fell short against HW champions.

There's it a lot of room for negotiation when you get that big, skill falls out for raw power.

 

Indeed he did.

 

I have him overall at 2.

But h2h, I could see Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Liston and Vitali maybe besting him.

Other less likely possibles: Dempsey, Rocky, Tyson, and Bowe.


H2H probably in the 3 - 9 range.

 

The classic absurd argument of janitor. It is a h2h match not a competition of who did anything in a different era against different men. Joe frazier had a good version of ali drunk nearly out. Compared with ali's chin louis had glass. Frazier destroyed very good fighters like mathis,chuvalo,ellis,machen,bob foster.

And who did Louis destroy? A shot bradock?(Luis got dropped by a past prime lhw) Galento?( a bunch of fat who dropped Luis) Buddy baer?( did put his ass out of the ring)Carnera? (A heavy bag)Schmeling?(losing by ko once) , max baer?(archaic open guy) Walcott? (He made louis look stupid and dropped him several times)I dont see any of these jurrasic guys being a serious problem for joe.
Anyway it is irrelevant every fight is different.
Joe louis himself did admit that the pressure fighters were bad for him

 

Imagine Frazier coming up against Louis, who, as well as being the best combination puncher at heavy, ever, but has a better left hook.
You're right though Steve, it would be a good fight.
I could see Louis shuffling back and sidewards to get into position for his uppercuts and hooks as smokin' Joe chugs forward.

 

Louis would beat Frazier. Frazier had no right hand and wasn't an exceptionally hard puncher. His pressure may give Louis a hard time but that's it.

 

Pffff please.frazier did hit x2 harder than schmeling

 

Lol this is why I shouldn't post after drinking.

I'm not really sure what I meant after the first sentence.

 

Hahahaha I was going to reply to that but I thought "hey up"
Is it Louis or Ali he's on about.
Agree on Louis combos if that's what you meant.

 

Yeah Louis is the finest combo puncher I've ever seen in the division's history.

Because of how fluid a puncher he is, he only needs one opening to exploit and he can end the fight.

My favourite of his is the way he ended the Conn fight first time round. He'd been schooled and embarrassed by the LHW great and he did not have to reckless or abandon his game plan because he nee he just needed Billy to give him one opening and when that chance came, Louis took it in devastating fashion.

The rest of my original posts is jibberish, no idea what I was trying to say

 

Easily done after a jar
As regards my favourite Louis combo its him koing Galento and the way he adjusts his feet to get in the exact position for his left hook.
Everything I've shown the kids in the boxing club, re the left hook, time after time is shown there in 2 seconds and proves I'm not just a silly owd git hahaha