How high do you rate 150lbs Griffith decking & dethroning ATG 36 year old Weight Drained Dick Tiger?

Well it's akin to if Leonard theoretically decked Hagler in there fight for me just something so unexpected and surreal.

Not a showing of power but a sign of perfect accuracy timing and set up from a master.

 

Griffiths overall work at MW is underrated . the Archer wins, Nino, etc … just as impressive … Continuing to go up and down and competing against the best aint easy.

 

I felt Archer beat Emile in the 1st fight but Howie Albert and Clancy had close ties to the garden much like Golden boy has now in Las Vegas ....Archer also beat Tiger and Hurricane Carter- The 2nd Griffith - Archer fight was closer but I thought Archer won the title in the 1st fight. Griffith proved he was a great fighter but also politically strong

 

Not that impressive to me since I thought Tiger won the fight with room to spare when I watched it then and when I re-watched it later. Nat Fleischer said "the verdict was one of the worst rendered in New York in many years, particularly the score of referee Arthur Mercante." He also wrote, "The vast majority of writers and the spectators were outraged by the decision." His count was that the ringside reporters favored Tiger by 18 to 5. Fleischer himself scored it 10-5 Tiger. By my recollection, Fleischer did not disagree with too many verdicts, at least not so strongly. Among the officials Frank Forbes scored it 7-6-2 Griffith, Tony Castellano 7-7-1 a draw, and Mercante 9-5-1 Tiger. I'm not a super-fan of Fleischer, but his article in the July 1966 Ring is a good shorthand way of setting forth support for my argument, since it cites the opinion of other boxing experts besides himself.

So no, the knockdown was no big deal. It happens in fights. Tiger was up at two, though he had to take a mandatory eight count.

I agree with Bummy Davis that Griffith was politically strong. How else can you explain his three decision wins against Luis Rodriguez, two of which were in New York? I admire Emile. He was a wonderful fighter, always ready to fight, but he got a lot of breaks when it came to decisions, especially in New York.

 

Fullmer was no puncher.

 

The fight could have gone either way.
A good win for Griffith though.

 

There is always talk on all these boards about All Time Greats and qualifying them is certainly a subjective business. For me Griffith is definitely an All Timer. Multi weight World Champion who simply fought everyone.
Emile certainly seemed to get the nod in many close fights but it's hard to begrudge a guy that had 112 fights in a 19 year career spent almost entirely in World Class.
It's not worth listing all the great names on his record, Boxrec him, but to give you a flavour :

Brian Curvis
Dave Charnley
Dick Tiger
Nino Benvenuti
Bennie Briscoe ( Yep Bad Bennie again )
Carlos Monzon
Vito Antuofermo
Alan Minter

And many more......

 

My curiosity overcomes my good judgment. Meaning no disrespect to your opinion, but have you watched the entire fight?

 

... and slow on speed. (This is meant as an add-on to the last sentence of EliteMaster's post.)

 

I don't think you will ever see any debate in here as to whether Emile is a ATG. He's certified.