How high would you rate Benny Leonard P4P

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  1. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm glad I could bring some laughter into your life.
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Wh-....I didn't even know you could go back and change the titles of your threads!
     
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  3. essexboy

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    Double tap next to the title. Not on it, next to it.
     
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  4. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We're talking about Benny Leonard here, people. This is the classic forum, damnit!
     
    Maxmomer, Jan 8, 2010
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  5. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i don't rate leonard as either a top lightweight or p4p immortal.
    :?sorry
     
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  6. Maxmomer

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    Joking?
     
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  7. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no i'm not.i don't rate any fighters from that era against modern ones.
    i like the old fighters and find them fascinating but couldn't see the likes of greb beating hopkins or leonard v paquiao,mayweather.
     
    turpinr, Jan 8, 2010
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  8. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What era they come from really doesn't have anything to do with how high they should be rated. What they achieved should be taken with in the context of their era. How would modern fighters have done in past eras? It swings both ways. That's why you look at what they did when they did it. Leonard clearly has the best LW resume in history relative to his era. Even better than Duran's. And besides, he was a very modern fighter. He was ahead of his time. Great jab, footwork, combination punching. Good power, good defense, good chin, and incredibly skilled and smart. Put him in a time machine and I firmly believe he would do well in any decade before or after his.
     
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  9. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NO. read up on this guy and what the old, old timers say and they say he had to carry guys or he couldn't get fights. To be considered the best of that generation by the sportswriters of that generation is pretty impressive when you consider all the guys before 1950 that fought.
     
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  10. Bummy Davis

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    I rate him up there with Duran as one of the best at 135lbs...now that is a fight I would like to see and throw Armstrong in the mix
     
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  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    top 10 easy. i rank him over Greb and Armstrong
     
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  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i can't agree.if you stuck him in the ring with a modern fighter he'd get destroyed.whatever he achieved 80 odd years ago wouldn't matter head to head.
     
    turpinr, Jan 8, 2010
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  13. The Morlocks

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    You are joking. There is no way you are serious about this. :viking:viking
     
    The Morlocks, Jan 8, 2010
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  14. The Morlocks

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    There is a book that came out recently about Freddie Welsh, the lightweight champ that is excellent for explaining how good Leonard was in that era. BTW, another great boxing book I read last year as i said in another thread is, "The Big If..." about Johnny Owens. It is the only book I've seen that goes into detail about the entire career of Lupe Pintor and actually talks to Pintor about his fights and his career. They are both excellent reads. Another great book to tell about Tunney, and Greb and Dempsey, besides the obvious Tunney books always shown is., "Gene Tunney:The Golden Guy Who Beat jack Dempsey Twice", by John Jarrett. A little off topic but if you can find them, they really open your eyes to different facts.
     
    The Morlocks, Jan 8, 2010
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  15. essexboy

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    Head to head isnt everything, in fact regarding fighters 80 years apart I'd barely take it into consideration. Its achievement in their own time against the best fighters of their time and help to pioneer the sport that gives them such a high ranking.
     
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