About how I see it. I do think Norton can make the tail end of the top 20. His loss to a prime Holmes was razor thin, and he got the best of Ali in their 3 fight series. Ali is hardly even seen outside the top 5 of all time at heavyweight, and Holmes is hardly ever seen outside the top 10 by those born before 1970. Norton defeated Ali before Ali beat Frazier or Foreman, so Kenny's victory cannot be understated. He punished Ali with head and body shots. Fans of body shots should check Norton out, as he was very skilled in this department. Norton's victory over Quarry was better than Frazier's. I felt Foreman's performance vs. Norton was the sharpest he had ever been.