How highly did you rate Lennox Lewis's power?

couldnt even hurt crackpot loopy pole golota. u numskull, get real fella.

atleast lewis, even if he wasnt ko'ing guys would box a decision, u knew he hurt his opponent then.

 

-It's not a matter of opinion, Lewis did in fact land his best shots on Holyfield. I really don't see the point in denying something that is documented on video and film.

-I already gave you one name twice, I don't see how listing it a third or however many times now is going to be any different. You accuse me of ducking questions but in truth you are just ignoring my answers.

-I have backed up my opinion as early as my first post in this thread and explained my reasoning in detail. You just don't like what I have to say. As for your sarcastic questions you don't really want an answer to, lets break this down:

1. I listed those men as contradictions to a specific claim that you made, there was no intent on my part to argue them as consistent bigger hitters and you know that. I was simply pointing out why your statement does not ring true.

But what the hell, I would say Ruddock's uppercut, Oleg's right cross, and McCline's left hook are likely as hard as any of Lewis' power shots.

2. If Lewis is to be placed on the same pedestal as Louis, I think he's going to have to do some unique damage against fighters like Tua, Mercer, and McCall. Holyfield badly hurt and dropped Mercer, Tua got swollen up and unofficially dropped by Rahman and visibly hurt by a Byrd uppercut, McCall got blasted so hard by Bruno in the first round that he had to fall into the ropes to stay on his feet, the man was hurt even if temporarily, these guys aren't invincible.

In the case of Louis we can point to several instances of him being the only man to drop or knockout guys who had McCall, Tua, and Mercer like reputations in their day.

-Frazier and Foreman did hurt and stop Chuvalo, but that's a different argument.

 

lennox had some very good power. Excellent straight right and a pretty good jab in front. Could throw a pretty mean uppercut to

 

lewis destroys anyone u rate. hamburger bowe

 

It is clearly a matter of opinion and mine is that I disagree. I do not believe that Lewis landed his best against Holyfield. For someone so sensitive please frame your arguments in a non confrontational manner by avoiding words such as denial. I might respond and be interpreted by you as hostile when I simply believe you're wrong.

You defied Lewis as knocking out the men one is supposed to but not budging the sturdier stock. You counter but again half committed. Are you saying McCall, Tua and Mercer did not have exceptional chins ? Is Byrd now a huge puncher too or is it possible you want to support your arguments with half baked claims ?

Joe Louis was an exceptional fighter and puncher. No argument there. KOing the ancient Uzcuden and Max Baer for that matter where terrific accomplishments but one could counter he could not stop Tommy Farr, all 204 pounds of him. If Joe could have managed this against the far bigger and stronger trio above we will never know however this is not about over all ability but raw power and Lewis KO'ed much better and stronger big men than Joe ever did.

SO you think that Ruddock ( possibly ) , Oleg and McCline hit as hard as Lewis ? I disagree. Still interested to see your thoughts on how Lennox rates in power against past heavyweight champs in your opinion other than Lewis. Can you please name the heavyweight champions you think hit harder than Lewis ? You names one, Joe Louis. Anyone else ?

 

-It is clearly not a matter of opinion, unless you don't feel Lewis' uppercut and overhand right are his best punches.

-I thought I was very restrained considering how confrontational and hostile your last post was.

-Speaking of hostile. Wow. I will say my post says what it says. I'm not sure why every statement I make has to be followed with a sarcastic line of questions that spin into a thousand different directions, some rather absurd and clearly not intended in what I wrote.

-I don't find 36 and 26 to be "ancient." One could counter with Farr, but we can also point to Galento, Baers, Uzudun, Braddock,..etc. Nobody is going to get them all but Louis got most. Lewis didn't get any of them. And despite being 204 lb Farr went the distance with Braddock, Baer, and Nova in addition to Louis in a roll...I would add Mercer, Tua, and even McCall never tested their beards in a 14 month gauntlet like that.

-I must strongly disagree about Lewis KOing much better and stronger bigger men. I'm not sure what fighters you could even be talking about. I would take Primo and Buddy over Grant and Golota anyday.

-I share Steward's opinon that Wlad was more poweful, stronger with both hands. Foreman and Liston were more effective, both also having the two fisted power that Lewis lacked. Make a case for Tyson too. I don't know. Being observers, we can only rate by perceived effectiveness. Again, Lewis KOed the guys a great puncher should be expected to, but I don't see a case for him being one of the best. I never saw Foreman, Tyson, Shavers, Louis, or Liston lay into a guy with clean shots like Lewis did against Holyfield, McCall, Markovic, Vitali, and Mercer and not put them down or at leave them of their senses.

 

Wtf are you waffling about now? I clearly asked all you clowns who criticise Lewis for not knocking out everyone he fought, to name a Heavyweight who did. You can't!! so you waffle on like a schoolgirl about Lewis's defeats which have no bearing whatsoever on his power.

Is that what really bugs you about Lewis, the fact that he wasn't a fvcking idiot like your little hero Tyson? Because he could actually box Holyfield instead of having to stand toe to toe with him and get KTFO Tyson style? Perhaps it might be because unlike the little runt, he avenged his defeats, because he was able to adapt, unlike your goon, who if it didn't work the first time, it was never going to.

It might make you feel better if you get it off your chest, and tell us why you despise Lewis so much.

 

Interesting. I guess you never saw Tyson v.s. Green or Smith or Tucker. Ever catch Shavers against Cobb ?. How about Louis v.s. Farr ?
I never saw Liston fight an all time great chin but Foreman did fight the 33 year old, severely limited Chuvalo. No doubt that Foreman could hit like a monster but it's easier to tee off against an old fringe contender than a prime McCall , Tua or Mercer.

Speaking of Liston, Foreman, Shavers or Louis, how many all time great chins did they come up against on the level of Mercer, McCall or Tua ?

As far as hostile, I'm not at all. I just call you on your b.s. You throw darts and complain when they are returned. Simple as that.

 

I'll try to ad some maple syrup to my waffling... When you make comments like " if Lewis respected a guy, he'd come up with a plan for beating him." So essentially you're saying that there was a reason why he lost to McCall and Rahman and that reason was that he just didn't respect them.. Yet you've ignored everyone elses' explanations about why they feel Tyson lost to Douglas...

Waffle on bro....

 

An interesting point though .. Lewis came into the fight w McCall extremely overconfident .. watch his ring walk and attitude ... he expected a sleepwalk and he got caught ... for the first Rachman fight he was again extremely overconfident, working on a movie, coming to Africa with a huge shift in altitude way too close to the fight and coming in heavy .. he was huffing and puffing badly very early and again got caught ..

A fully focused Lewis was an extremely talented fighter and a hell of a tough one to defeat. His only real weakness was that he did not have a concrete chin .. he had been KO'ed even though both times were Hail Mary's by huge men. Regardless, Holmes managed v.s. Shavers, Ali v.s. Shavers and Foreman did v.s. Lyle ..

 

-I've seen those matches and had them in mind when I made that statement. Tyson hurt those guys inbetween bear hugs and stalling.

-Yep, a washed up and injured Shavers lacking his usual snap still became the only man to hurt a prime Cobb in a losing effort. Not an official knockdown but Cobb clearly was rocked and went down from a punch.

-We just talked about Louis vs Farr.

-I have and it was brutal. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMOzu1Zwk5c[/url]

-Better than failing to hurt and nearly losing to a 35 year old out of shape fringe contender in Ray Mercer.

-I've listed several for Louis. Liston, Foreman, and Shavers feats of strength have just been covered.

-Again, I'm being really patient with you. Stop talking trash. It isn't strengthening your argument or accomplishing anything, just making you look hypocritical.

 

Who the fvck do you think you are, you arrogant *****?

For the benefit of your ******ed brain I'll say again if Lewis respected a guy he would come up with a plan and stick to it, as in the Holyfield fights.

He also came up with a game plan for the rematches with McCall and Rahman, and won both contests. What was Tysons plan for the rematch with Holyfield? Bite like a coward and get thrown out?

I don't give a **** what a troll like you thinks. It was plain for all to see that Lewis thought that both McCall and Rahman were mere bums in the original fights, but he definitely treated them with more respect in the rematches.

 

Gentlemen,
We have to treat Roxy with kid gloves , her tranny lover broke it off with her for shitting on the furniture again. It's a fetish / psych issue .

 

This explains the psyche issue I was referring to and will add clarification to foxyo1 and her affliction:

Originally Posted by Foxy 01
You inbred moronic *****. In your first sentence you can't even spell allowed.

"That sums up your intelligence, and by extension the value of your contribution. So slither back into the pond you managed to crawl out of.

Verminous scum.

PS. How did a fvckwit like you ever manage to post 10,000 times? The mind boggles."


Reply from Boxershorts99 to the FoxyRoxy01 previous post

"Lol , autocorrect , whoa that was a real crusher . Psych evaluations are available at your local hospital ( in your case, the county hospital ) Make sure you read my post again you STAIN. Just remind the staff that a doctor's order is needed to apply restraints (chemical or physical) you do seem a bit borderline personality/dissociative disorder/bipolar in constant hypermanic mode and are probably at risk for causing harm to yourself and maybe others. My point is you have problems upstairs and it may be due to traumatic daily beatings you received throughout school or work and you are redirecting anger at anyone that is within reach . I'm not sure which of Erikson's psychosocial stages of development you are stuck in or what goal you haven't achieved bc you are all over the reservation between early childhood and adolescence. Do you still have nocturnal enuresis or nocturnal fecal incontinence ? I 'm sorry let me dumb that down for you and rephrase. Do you still **** and **** all over yourself while you're sleeping ? This is a common finding , however you probably wake up and play finger paint , face and body paint time with captain foxy. That's messed up dude. You are supposed to disregard body excretions not roll around and have playtime with them.Maybe someone should drive you bc you seem to be a little mentally unstable to start a vehicle let alone drive one" .

Boxershorts99 reply to foxy01's mind being boggled by the number 10,000

" I know it boggles your mind , that's a big number for capt raisen brain(I know raisin is misspelled but it seems more fitting cause your an idiot) . 10,000 is a number that can be broken down in several ways but you should be focusing on numbers between 1-10 . Let's start , 1+0 =1 . No , didn't get that ? Hmm? How about 0+0=0 ? Make sense? Crap , I'm trying to make this easy fvcknuts . Ok, how about this , 1 moron named foxy stuck his finger in his neighbor 's dog 's rear intentionally . How many fingers did foxy stick into his neighbor's dog's rear ? Still nothing ? You are one special guy , not sure if math is your thing ."

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxy 01

"I suspect you sincerely wish you were made of chocolate, that way you could lick your subhuman self to death. Does your problem stem from your father telling you he wished he'd taken up masturbation rather than suffer you?

You are indeed one of the rarities of internet forums, a moronic kunt who can hold a full dialogue, both accusations and answers, with your attention seeking self.

Still, I suppose your mother loves you. Shitstain."

Boxershorts99 reply the roxyfoxygirl01

"Whoa , how did you escape your cage ? I told you to get yourself checked in somewhere .

Did you try to drive yourself ? WTF were you thinking ? I even gave you a semi pseudo step by step instruction manual along with an explanation of your symptoms . You not only sling **** at others on this site but you savor the moments of rolling around in your own .

Remember Foxy01 there is a place for the poo poo to go and it is not a form of art media for your "Short Bus" class's show and tell day . I will repost it one more time for you plus the math word problem . Do you know how to work a printer ? I'm sorry , too complex type of instruction . Umm? Is your Mommy home, maybe she can help ? I know go ask the neighbor whose dog you take advantage of , on second thought don't do that he probably isn't very fond of you . Well, you do know how to finger paint , so that would be the only other solution I can think of for you to copy these instructions . However you might want to try mustard or ketchup this time if possible . I know ......Chocolate pudding!!!!! That way it will give you some form of familiarity , looks sorta like **** stains but doesn't have all of the other offensive qualities to it ."