How highly do you factor skill when making p4p rankings?

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  1. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    Just wondering because I've seen an awful lot of fighters ranked highly on what seemed to me to be skill/talent/potential as opposed to what they actually did in the ring.

    In my opinion, that should be the absolute LAST thing considered when making rankings. Talent and skill mean jack **** to me if there's not a good resume there to back it up.
     
  2. TFFP

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    If its the last factor, what comes between resume and skill?

    It should figure highly, if not on parity with resume. Otherwise you get washed up has beens ranking far too highly, as is often the case with Ring.
     
  3. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Highly indeed. Which is why Joan Guzman makes me top 10. The guy ranks amazingly in terms of skill and head-to-head, not his thought if he's being avoided.
     
  4. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    If they're washed up has beens they wouldn't have the kind of resume that I'm talking about because it would be littered with losses.
     
  5. TFFP

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    That is not always the case. It's not always as blatant.

    A guy could be inactive or coming off a solitary defeat and fighting a tune up or two, inwhich case people/ring will often show more loyalty than needed. We have to remember that at all times the p4p rankings are supposed to be a snapshot of the very best fighters currently.
     
  6. champianboxer

    champianboxer Mr Boingo Full Member

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    why isnt wlad on the top ten
     
  7. Kaz_187

    Kaz_187 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    probably cuz he's lost to to many bums
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Those losses came long ago, he's supposed to be in the top 10.
     
  9. Kaz_187

    Kaz_187 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    possibly,may be also the fact that he hasen't beaten anyone at a top 20 p4p level or even remotley close to that?
     
  10. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends really on your definition of p4p. IMO p4p means if both fighters were of comparable size with all tangibles at this hypothetical size being equal to what they are at each fighers respective weight class who would win. Under this definition I don't see how you can not factor in skill. Skill IMO is the single most important factor in P4P rankings. The accomplishments are simply demonstration of the skill sort of like a byproduct of it.
     
  11. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    Might not be the fighter's fault, but thems the breaks. As far as I'm concerned p4p rankings are earned INSIDE the ring, not on potential.
     
  12. sinosleep

    sinosleep GIRL=nicole whittaker Full Member

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    How can you be sure a fighter is a skilled as you think he is if he never bothers to prove it in the ring? Resume should always be number 1.
     
  13. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is of equal importance I think. Before he beat Mosely, Winky was no doubt one of the best fighters in the world, but because no one was willing to fight him, he was excluded from achievement oriented rankings. Also, I recall that Erik Morales was in the Ring's rankings even after his dreadful loss to Raheem, while Martin Castillo, clearly a much better fighter at that point, was kept off the list, because he had beaten a famous fighter, but had beaten Morel and Munoz twice among other excellent opponents. We see the same situation now with Montiel and Mijares, who are obviously better than Ricky Hatton, who is clearly on the downslide.
     
  14. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They are both important but i would go with resume over skill.

    Margarito is pretty basic but has a much better resume than the supremely skilled Ivan Calderon so deserves to be rated higher in my opinion.
     
  15. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Without skills the resume would not exist. Obviously you hav eto have proven that you have skillsb but it always comes down to skills. By your definition I would have to assume that just because a guy cleaned out the weakest division in boxing that he would be able to do the same in the deepest division.