How highly do you rate Eusebio Pedroza?

I think very highly of him. Enormous amount of defenses, against pretty fair competition representing a variety of styles. Diverse attack, though he was a filthy fighter too, to his detriment. Tough, determined, great stamina, top body puncher............the list goes on.

 

Underrated stache.

And really does anything matter more.

 

Highly enough to give his a 50/50 chance with Sanchez!

 

Avoided: Sanchez, Lopez, Arguello, Nelson, Gomez. Got KOd by Alfonso Zamora and another Alfonso. Outside of top 15 @ 126 and I mean "modern" top 15, not all times.

 

i'm with Frank. wasnt impressed by his overall performance or dirty tactics. I thought he lost to Rocky twice and was lucky to get a draw with 14-0 Taylor

more impressed with Sanchez

as to who would win I don't know

 

I don't rate him especially highly. His best scalp was against a relatively novice, Patrick Ford, whose only notable accomplishment was holding Sanchez to a close fight when Sanchez was obviously having a major 'off night'.

While it looks good to beat a mutual opponent much better than Sanchez did, but while Pedroza's best feat was beating Ford, Sanchez slaughtered Lopez (twice), Gomez, and hunted down and finished off Nelson.

Now, if Pedroza and Azumah Nelson had fought and Pedroza had walked through Nelson like he did Ford, that would have been huge.

The dirty tactics and loving officiating in fights with Taylor, Rocky, and Laporte fights turn me off. His poise is the only thing that really impresses me.

 

Pedroza fought:
Lockridge in the US
Kobayashi in Japan
Olivaers in the US
Mayor in Venezuela
Nebob in Japan
Solis in Puerto Rico
McGuigan in the UK
Taylor in the US
Zamora in Mexico
Aba in New Guinea
Tell me about" road warrior" Sanchez?

 

I just watched the Johnny Aba fight a few days ago. What a ridiculous and dangerous ending.

The fight takes place in a three rope ring (like a pro wrestling ring) which nearly costs Aba his life. Pedroza kind of pushes Aba and he falls back against the ropes and slides right through the top two ropes, falling awkwardly and hitting the back of his head, neck, and upper back. Hitting the back of your head like that can be fatal (if I remember right Cleveland Denny died that way against Gaeten Hart, from falling and hitting the back of his head). Aba's unable to continue and the referee awards Pedroza a KO.

It definitely should not have been a KO. Pedroza pushed him down, although it didn't look intentional to me. He appeared to be trying to spin him a bit to get in better position. But it was not a punch. I'm no rules expert, but I'm pretty sure the appropriate ruling would have been to go to the cards, which would have given Pedroza a technical decision. Or possibly have disqualified Pedroza for pushing Aba down and causing him to be unable to continue.

Either way, it was the three rope ring that caused all of the problems. A standard four rope ring and none of this would have happened. But it was in New Guinea, and who knows what to expect when fighting in New Guinea 35 years ago.

Anyway, not really that relevant to the discussion much, other than it's about Pedroza. But I guess it does point out how a guy like Pedroza who defended overseas a lot, sometimes in less than optimal or even dangerous conditions, was sometimes in situations that champions who didn't defend on the road as much didn't face.

 

Complete straw man argument. He didn't say anything about their willingness to fight on enemy territory.

 

The fact is one did one didn't.

Who says Pedroza avoided those names ? Which primary source confirms it?
Should he have defended against Pat Cowdell who took Sanchez to a split decision and was kod in 1 round by Nelson ? How about Roberto Castanon whom Cowdell, no puncher stopped in 5 rds?
Sanchez died untimely in his prime, Pedroza fought way beyond his.There is an element of the "James Dean," factor attached to Sanchez imo. Apart from Lopez who never had any defence,a novice Nelson ,and Gomez who was coming up in weight, what are Sanchez's best wins?

 

Thta's being harsh. What "loving officiating" did Pedroza receive against Taylor? Taylor was the lucky one there, all he did was literally run from him all day long. That wasn't boxing. I also don't remember there being any complaining about the second Lockridge fight at the time, and even the first fight was close, even if you did score it for Lockridge.

 

He was an above average champion. I think Salvador Sanchez, who was his contemporary, was better. Pedroza was tall, rangy, smart. He was also a good body puncher, often utilizing the bolo - of course a good percentage of his body shots often strayed south of the border. His chin was average - he could be hurt. But, he knew how to survive when hurt. He also benefited greatly from his close ties to the WBA. He was often allowed to bend the rules. Still, you've got to have something on the ball to hold any world title for 7 years even if you're connected.

 

So Pedroza brought his / his promoters' judges with him. In such a long "reign", to avoid all the names I mentioned (and there were plenty to avoid in his time & weight) must be more than just coincidence.

 

Unsubstantiated bull**** on both counts.
A cursory perusal of his record shows he had loads of different judges including two Japanese ones for his two defences there.