How highly do you rate Lloyd Marshall?

Where does he rate all time at 160-175lb?


How would he have done against Zale in 42 for 160lb world title and Lesnevich in 46 at 175 for the world title? How does he do against graziano in 1946?

Lloyd Marshall

Beat

Ezzard Charles
Charley Burley
Holman Williams
Jake Lamotta
Joey Maxim
Freddie Mills
Nate Bolden
Hatchetman Sheppard
Fitzie Fitzpatrick
Anton Christoforidas
Lou broulliard
Teddy Yarosz
Shorty Hogue
Babe Risko
Ken Overlin
Johnny bandit Romero

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Losses

You bring up a good point I’ll bring up another. According to multiple books that I have, Marshall was on the handcuffs for some fights....

For example:

Promoter Jack Solomons said that when Marshall came to the UK to fight Freddie Mills he had expected to be asked to “do business".

In springs Toledo black murderers row, it talks about Marshall being on the handcuffs for certain fights against white men.


“Yarosz williams Burley ahead of him”

Marshall beat all three of these men. Something to consider. Marshall also knocked out Ezz Charles and beat Joey Maxim. His resume is actually incredible

 

Here’s some great info on Lloyd Marshall from Murderers Row Springs Toledo



Garcia I- “ten sensational hair-raising rounds, a great punching duel” - Eddie Miller The Examiner

Garcia II- Marshall was outpunching Garcia and was way ahead on points when he got cut near his eye and the referee stopped the fight

Charles I- Charles was down so much he looked to one reporter like “an overworked elevator operator”

“catlike on his feet, handy with a feint, always set for the delivery of a punch and not once a clean target for the slam bang 21 year old. Marshall was 165lb of class and blast.”- plain dealer

Christoforidas- “soaked up the worst beating of his pugilistic career.” Christoforidas suffered a closed left eye and broken nose.

Barney Ross and Johnny Kilbane at ringside stated “Karshall is one of the hardest smashers with both hands they have ever seen”

Bivins - A lot of damage to both fighters. A war. “Bivins left eye was closed and his nose was smashed all over his face”

Lamotta- “Lloyd leathered through to an off-by-himself win without a mark on him while Lamotta had smashing hooks and uppercuts swaying back and forth and bleeding in the fifth. Lamotta came on strong in the 10th when it was too late.” Lamotta received 25,000 to only 5,000 for Marshall

After this win, RING June issue of 1943 declared “Lloyd Marshall the greatest pound for pound in the world”

Overlin - Marshall smashed, staggered, and sent Overlin on the run the entire fight.....Overlin had a cloud over his career. “The wise boys whisper in your ear he is a business man. Meaning you can’t tell whether he’ll be in there pitching or just passing a quiet evening” - San Francisco Examiner

After beating Overlin the chronicle stated “Marshall returned to Sacramento with his friends, did he pick up some new ones? Overlins shadowy associates attached themselves to Lloyd after this bout and Lloyd became what Overlin was, a business fighter.”

Yarosz I - Marshall gave him “the worst beating of his career”

Yarosz II- “A good chunk of uncle sams green lettuce is reported to have exchanged hands on the outcome. A certain well known gambler cut himself in nicely on the advance allegations that Lloyd was ordered to lose the fight. Marshall’s performance was strange. He loaded up on punches he had second thoughts about throwing and never missed a cue. Marshall and Yaroszs manager may pride themselves on the fact they were among the very few fighting men who came to Pittsburgh and who outsmarted everybody, their friends included.” Pittsburgh post gazette

Mills- a west coast sparring partner told Harry Ott that Marshall figured he was brought in as a set up and was surprised when no one approached him with a script. “Not that it would have made much of a difference, It was mills, not Marshall or Charles, who ended up getting what had become a whites only privaledge of challenging the light heavyweight champion.”

Mills ended up earning 45,000 to challenge Lesnevich

Oakland billy smith- ringsider Jim Scott said “Marshall went down of his own volition.” Smith said the punch was hard enough “to do the business”...crowd of 8000 was stunned by the ending which a punch didn’t seem to land cleanly or if at all...”Marshall held a decided edge in all of the previous rounds” Berkeley daily gazette

Two sources close to Oakland fight game stated Marshall took a dive. An insider had put a bet of 1500 down on smith by knockout at the last minute which was a huge red flag given that Marshall was a 2-1 favorite.


Cleveland Promoter Larry Atkins

“Marshall couldn’t get fights because he was so good. Marshall told me he did it because he had to make a living.”

Atkins was at ringside when Marshall whipped Lamotta, Charles, and Maxim ....three future champions at middle, light heavyweight, and heavyweight- and swore Marshall was the greatest fighter he had ever seen.



Many top fighters ducked Marshall: “the stadium blast which dropped Bivins to his haunches was heard around the country and fight managers take to their heels when a bout between their meal tickets and the Sacramento thumper is proposed”- The Bee


During Marshall’s career, Marshall’s Management made offers to light heavyweight champions Conn and Lesnevich, and middleweight champions Zale, Apostoli, Cerdan..none of them said they were interested.