How highly do you rate PBF:s win over JMM?

Floyd had been off for two years and came back beating a very servicable and formidable Marquez. Might not be a great win, but definitely a solid one.

 

Not that highly as i've never rated Marquez above Lightweight and was hardly impressed by his "get hit with every second or third punch thrown" performances against Katsidis, ancient Casa etc

Sure he's still able to look the part against Pac above lightweight, but that's a bit of a special case against someone the same size as him that he has fought a few times before.

Marquez is very beatable above lightweight.mayweather as a Welter doesn't exactly do it for me either tbh, but he's at least still very good there.

 

Yeah, but no blinkered Floyd fan boys want to hear this.

 

Lets not forget just when Marquez started looking so ripped. The guy was pushing forty and Im sorry but you dont get into that kind of shape with that bloated steroid belly at his age after having never reached that kind of condition before without a little help, especially when that help came in the form of a known steroid peddler.

 

Go swivel you moron. You saying if he worked with Panama Lewis he'd look to interfere with his gloves, or drink illegal substances between rounds?

It's called PROOF, and you ain't got any.

How about he just timed Pacs stupid lunging in and dipping his head when he punched, perfectly? Just like he did in sparring for the fight to one of his sparring partners.

 

there's that lance armstrong defence again.

 

Not highly.

As low as Pac's over DLH, actually.

Great names but in reality non-factors on both resumes.

 

Why are you bringing up the Pacquiao fights? I didn't.

I have marquez winning the second fight 115-112 and the third 118-110. You're picking on the wrong guy if you think that's my agenda.

 

Exactly.

 

This is my problem with the roid argument: What fighter has ever started roiding in their late 30s and actually become a better fighter than in their mid thirties?

Since beefing up, Marquez became top heavy, slower, and off balance with lost lateral movement. I have no doubt that Floyd would easily beat that version of Marquez.

It's analogous to Vargas. He roided for the DLH fight and it basically turned him into a stiffer version of his former self.

 

A much older Marquez boxed the **** out of Alverado who was taller and bigger than Maywaether so the size argument doesn't mean much.

 

As others have said, there are a few specific reasons to suspect marquez after floyd, but I obviously agree with the 1st sentence.

I don't know why that fight hasn't happened, but i guarantee pac could afford the cutting edge (untestable) stuff if he wanted. I have no idea about the specific testing they were negotiating, If it involved continued future testing of the samples then disregard the above sentence.

before the drug chat I voted 6.5/10, which is a good win, I could go to 7, which is bordering on very good, but marquez was 2 divisions up against a guy another division up, his body looked poor, he had other average perfomances, and he was stylisticly disadvantaged.

The relevance of the drug talk, which has been off topic from me so far, is that later results, achieved with a body that looks so different, being used to say marquez was as good as his resume now suggests he should/could have been vs floyd is a questionable argument (at best).

I'd agree with you some of the posts here about the rating of the win could be seen as harsh, but I can see the reasons why people hold that view.

 

Laughable.

So now the claim is " Not only is he on PED'S but he also has the wherewithal to beat the testing."

 

In November of 2006 JMM fought at FW (126). In 2007 he jumped up to JLW (130) and had 3 fights there before jumping up to LW (135) in 2008. He had two fights at LW and then jumped up to fight WW (147) and JMW (154) World Champ Mayweather in 2009.

Marquez was not strong at that weight in 2009. He did not put on the weight properly. Marquez would have done better vs. Mayweather anytime after 2011.

I don't think Mayweather fought Marquez at his best. I don't think Marquez could ever beat Mayweather (both men at their best) but at his best WW version, Marquez could have given him a much better fight than what he did.