How I Scored All Of ODLH's Controversial Decisions

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dynamicpuncher, Nov 25, 2023.


  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,483
    32,169
    Jan 14, 2022
    So i went back and watched all these fights in the past few days and this is how i saw it.

    Felix Sturm vs ODLH

    1 ODLH
    2 ODLH
    3 Sturm
    4 ODLH
    5 ODLH
    6 Sturm
    7 Sturm
    8 Sturm
    9 Sturm
    10 Sturm
    11 Sturm
    12 Sturm

    116-112 Sturm

    I had this fight more one sided than i remembered it being, i thought ODLH did fairly well in the first 6 rounds he was very active went to Sturm's body effectively and i actually had ODLH clearly ahead after 5 rounds.

    The issue i saw though is that i thought ODLH threw way too many punches early on, in the 1st round he threw 103 punches and averaged 80 punches a round for the next few rounds. That's a hell of a workrate for a Middleweight especially when ODLH wasn't in the best of shape fighting at a weightclass he'd never fought at.

    After 6th round Sturm pretty much controlled the fight and ODLH had very little to offer in later rounds, as Sturm backed him up consistently landed accurate shots especially the jab and his defence was water tight.

    ODLH for me blew his load early on trying to finish Sturm early on, and didn't have the energy in the later rounds to be competitive with Sturm.

    Overall a big gift for ODLH to save the Hopkins/ODLH fight.


    Felix Trinidad vs ODLH

    1 ODLH
    2 ODLH
    3 ODLH
    4 Trinidad
    5 ODLH
    6 ODLH
    7 ODLH
    8 ODLH
    9 Trinidad
    10 Trinidad
    11 Trinidad
    12 Trinidad

    115-113 ODLH

    So continuing with ODLH's controversial decisions i decided to score this classic fight again.

    What surprised me is that i had ODLH 7-1 up after 8 rounds, that's a bit more dominant than i remember it being. But overall i have no problem with anyone scoring this a draw but i still can't see 7 rounds for Trinidad. There's no way Trinidad won 3 out of the first 8 rounds i'm sorry i can't see it all, Trinidad barely landed anything of significance in those first 8 rounds. ODLH peppered him with jabs the occasional combination and totally nullified Trinidad's offence with his movement.

    ODLH of course lost all the later rounds as we know because he decided to coast instead of securing the win, but i still don't think those later rounds were enough for Trinidad to get a win.


    Ike Quartey vs ODLH

    1 ODLH
    2 Quartey
    3 ODLH
    4 ODLH
    5 Quartey
    6 Quartey 10-9 Both fighters traded knockdowns
    7 Quartey
    8 Quartey
    9 Quartey
    10 ODLH
    11 Quartey
    12 ODLH 10-8 knockdown

    114-113 Quartey

    Decided to watch this fight again and do a proper scorecard.

    Overall i don't think ODLH did enough after the 4th round, Quartey had trouble finding his range with his jab as ODLH competed with him very well in the jab department and overall just doing a bit more fighting.

    But after the 4th round apart from the famous 6th round where they traded knockdowns, Quartey bossed the fight with his jab as he finally found his range. And ODLH just stood off and stopped throwing his jab allowing Quartey to dictate the fight behind his jab.

    Overall i have no problem with ODLH getting the nod as it was a very close fight with the 2 knockdowns, although the 2 judges scoring it 116-113, 116-112, in favour of ODLH is a bit puzzling to me.

    But overall i thought Quartey just about nicked it when he dictated the fight between rounds 5-9, round 11 is probably the most debatable round in the fight and that could be a major factor on who you think won the fight.

    Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2

    1 ODLH
    2 ODLH
    3 Mosley
    4 ODLH
    5 Mosley
    6 ODLH
    7 ODLH
    8 ODLH
    9 Mosley
    10 ODLH
    11 ODLH
    12 Mosley

    116-112 ODLH

    Awful decision i really don't know how Mosley got the nod here, ODLH fought a smarter fight and controlled the fight with his jab in the first half of the fight. Mosley just wasn't throwing enough punches and any of the rounds he did make competitive ODLH just out punched him.

    Yes Mosley when he did land did indeed land the harder punches but it was one punch at a time, ODLH for me controlled the fight with his jab despite fading a tad down the stretch. He still out punched Mosley in most of the rounds and deserved to win the fight.

    ODLH vs Pernell Whitaker

    1 Whitaker
    2 ODLH
    3 ODLH 10-8 Whitaker automatically gets a pointed deducted due to WBC rules about accidental clash of heads
    4 ODLH
    5 Whitaker
    6 ODLH
    7 Whitaker
    8 ODLH
    9 Whitaker 10-8 knockdown
    10 Whitaker
    11 Whitaker
    12 ODLH

    113-113 Draw

    Very tough fight to score Whitaker's whole offence was his right jab, and ODLH was never able to land any combinations in this fight having to rely on the occasional pot shotting with single punches.

    Whitaker should be credited for his excellent defence/ring generalship, and i certainly gave him his fair share of rounds based on that along with his effective right jab.

    ODLH i felt like stole a few rounds by landing the best punches in the round, as he was able to land some occasional straight right hands and left hooks which were the eye catching punches in uneventful rounds.

    Overall i feel like a draw would've been a very fair result, the judges scorecards of 115-111, 116-110 x2, in favour of ODLH were way off the mark. The point deduction for Whitaker was a stupid rule in which when there's a accidental clash of heads the uncut fighter automatically gets a point taken, but in all fairness Whitaker's knockdown of ODLH was more of a slip so i guess it was fair all in all.
     
    KO KIDD, Loudon and The G-Man like this.
  2. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

    508
    422
    Nov 13, 2023
    Oscar's actual resume:

    Victories over Whittaker, Quartey and Sturm
    Losses against Mosley and Trinidad


    His resume according to your scores:

    Victories over Trinidad and Mosley
    Draw vs Whittaker
    Losses to sturm and Quartey

    The 2nd one looks better to me.
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  3. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

    6,108
    4,017
    Jul 24, 2020
    Fair views in all.
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  4. venbox

    venbox Active Member Full Member

    1,355
    705
    Dec 2, 2005
    How about the Mayweather fight? It was close and some say that Oscar deserved a draw at the very least.
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,483
    32,169
    Jan 14, 2022
    I don't really consider it controversial TBH despite one judge having it for ODLH, i think most impartial fans have Mayweather winning by a few rounds. I think the fight was close after 6 rounds but Mayweather took over in the 2nd half of the fight and distanced himself from ODLH.

    I think most fans see it as 8-4, 7-5, fight for Mayweather.
     
    Daddy, KO KIDD and The G-Man like this.
  6. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

    6,108
    4,017
    Jul 24, 2020
    Again another correct view.
    However not a difficult fight to score.
     
    KO KIDD and Dynamicpuncher like this.
  7. Jpreisser

    Jpreisser Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,836
    1,403
    Jan 29, 2015
    I have it very close to the same, though I had De La Hoya edging Whitaker. I do need to watch the Mosley rematch again because I haven't seen it since the day it happened and then the day after. I recall thinking DLH won wide in real-time, but thought it was far closer upon second viewing. I thought HBO exaggerated a lot of DLH's work.
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  8. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,099
    971
    Nov 6, 2017
    Agree with everything but I think Quartey was a draw and Oscar by SD against Pernell. Pernell was a bit too defensive at times but Oscar landed the cleaner punches. Quartey vs Oscar is one of the trickier fights to score.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,483
    32,169
    Jan 14, 2022
    The problem for me regarding Mosley/ODLH 2 is that Mosley just wasn't fighting enough, he was only throwing single punches and ODLH controlled the 1st half of the fight with his jab. ODLH altered his tactics from the 1st fight and I don't think Mosley adjusted it to that well overall IMO.
     
  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,483
    32,169
    Jan 14, 2022
    Whitaker/Oscar is a horrible fight to score so tough.

    ODLH/Quartey could go either way TBH, there was a few swing rounds rounds 2 and 11.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,812
    Sep 15, 2009
    Good thread.

    I had him beating Quartey by a point but agree with everything else.

    Also agree Floyd fight wasn't controversial.
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    80,231
    131,442
    Jul 21, 2009
    Even if we go against the grain and the general consensus that, like JLC, Oscar deserved the decision against Floyd, surely we all can agree that a prime, active version of Oscar would've paddled his ass something rotten if that well past his best, inactive one foot in the retirement home, coke fiend Oscar who hadn't fought in a year and had only fought once in almost three years and who should've been 1-3 in his last 4 fights was able to take Floyd down to the wire and push him so close?
     
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,365
    21,812
    Sep 15, 2009
    Absolutely.

    The gauntlet of WWs that Oscar had to face: Pernell, Quartey, Tito and Mosley.

    No way does Floyd go through those 4 plus Oscar undefeated
     
    The Long Count and Serge like this.
  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,483
    32,169
    Jan 14, 2022
    I sort of agree and disagree yes ODLH was better in the late 90s and would've had a great chance of beating Mayweather in his prime, but again 154 wasn't Mayweather's best weightclass either even though he was closer to his prime than ODLH was.

    I don't think Welterweight was Mayweather's best weight either I consider it to be Super Featherweight in all honesty.

    But yes there was some killers in Welterweight division in the 90s, another guy from that era Jose Luis Lopez is very underrated.
     
    Serge likes this.
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    80,231
    131,442
    Jul 21, 2009
    Now we're talking my business. I'm a huge fan of Jose Luis Lopez.

    They, as they have done so many times before and will many again just for speaking god's truth, tried to lock me in an insane asylum when I correctly predicted that Lopez would KO Spence if he were around today.

    Let me rephrase that. Spence stands zero chance of beating him or ever lasting the distance against him and Lopez didn't even take training seriously. I think he beats Crawford too. I genuinely do. His chin was insane and he had nukes in his gloves.

    Peep this, Popeye.

    Yori Boy Campas: Best I've Faced


    BEST JAB
    Jose Luis Lopez:
    Because I felt it, he pressured me with the jab, he had a lot of movement. He won, he was a good boxer, aggressive, a counterpuncher, he did a lot of things that I didn’t have the skills to beat. That’s why he won. I still remember feeling his punchers.


    BEST DEFENSE
    Oscar De La Hoya:
    He was loose, he had good movement and he could block punches. With Lopez, he didn’t have the defense but you couldn’t hurt him, the shape he was in.

    BEST CHIN
    Raul Marquez:
    He could take a lot of punches and it didn’t faze him.

    FASTEST HANDS
    De La Hoya:
    He was more rapid than anybody.

    FASTEST FEET
    Daniel Santos:
    Because all he did was run [laughs]. He was here, he was there, he was like a rabbit.

    SMARTEST
    Felix Trinidad:
    Very intelligent in the ring. He made all the moves. I knocked him down [in the second round], Trinidad thought about it and changed his tactics.

    STRONGEST
    Lopez:
    He could take the punches and he kept pressuring. His punches were harder than any other punches I took from anybody else to this day.

    BEST PUNCHER
    Lopez:
    He has the experience, he had everything over me at that time. De La Hoya has no punch.

    BEST SKILLS
    Lopez:
    He was a complete fighter all around, not only power, he had skills. Trinidad’s father took care of him, De La Hoya because he’s American, he had people watching over him but Lopez was left to the wolves, his diet, drugs all this stuff destroyed this man’s career.

    BEST OVERALL
    Lopez:
    Pressure-wise, the best, taking punches, they didn’t faze him, the hardest I’ve ever been hit was by Lopez. How come De La Hoya refused to fight Lopez? Because Lopez was the best.'




    Prime Oscar beats Floyd as well. That's not a knock on Floyd because Oscar was a beast in his prime and his bigger.
     
    Dynamicpuncher likes this.