How is 147 bad for Marquez?

I wonder who can face Pac at welterweight with same day weigh-in format. Fighters nowadays are used to cutting weight to fit in where they feel effective.

 

Here, look its very simple.

JMM fighting at 135, he's natural ring weight = 144. JMM thinks his opponents natural ring weight will also be 144, therefore JMM doesnt try to put on weight, he simply dehydrates to 135 and hydrates to 144 for fight night.

JMM vs Floyd. JMM thinks Floyd will probably comes in anywhere from 150-156lbs on fight night. JMM and Nacho says they need to put on weight otherwise if they turn up to ring at 144, they will be severely outweighed.

So JMM BULKS up, ie adds muscle or fat however they did it, but he does look bigger, and weigh's in at 142. On fight night, he would have put on about 6-8lbs depending on whether he was wearing clothes or not. That means he goes into the ring about 148. He then finds out the additional mass has not helped his timing or speed. In 24/7 you hear Nacho commenting on JMM's speed not being there with the extra weight.

Pac eats well and doesnt dehydrate himself, he weighs in at 144 yet still comes into ring at 148.

Simply put, JMM intentionally put on functional size ie muscle for PBF to gain more size.

Are you getting this now? Its simple really. Separate water weight from muscle weight.

If Im fighting at 135 but on fight night I weigh 140lb, my opponents at LW also weigh 140lb on fight night. If I move up in weight to fight at 140lb, my opponents will weigh 144lb+ on fight night. Therefore its not the case that I wills imply stop dehydrating myself, weigh in at 140lb and fight at 140lb. I will bulk up, add muscle so that I am about 4-5lbs heavier than before. And then I will dehydrate to 140 for weigh in and come into the ring at 144-145lb.

Damm.

 

Not always the case...some fighter do not put on much weight after the weigh in. Just like Mayweather...he never adds more than 3 or 4 pounds on fight night. You can follow his career... It not like a case where Clottely for example weighs 147 then fights at 165 lbs...

I dont know what the had in mind for the Mayweather fight but they got it wrong...If he was slow they should have known weeks before in training. Also common sense should dictate this issue is more about how he(Marquez) can gain an advantage through the weigh-in. Its the same reason Pac wants it a higher weight yet want opponents to fight at catchweights... To gain an the advantage...

 

all i know is it was bad for marquez when he fought mayweather at the weight, so to me if it was bad for him to fight mayweather at 147 then the same thing goes for manny.everyone said boo hoo jmm should not be fighting at 147 blah blah, so at least o the same thing if manny wants to fight him at 147.whats fair is fair.

 

You appear to be an idiot that can't grasp the simple concept of water and muscle weight, and how it applies to an official weigh-in vs fight night weigh in.

You seem to think that Pac has the same muscle mass as he did when he fought at 135lbs, it's just that he doesn't need to "cut weight" anymore. This is ignorance on your part, no wonder you don't understand. Pac's muscle mass is clearly above 140 pounds now. It is also why he can't simply agree to fight at a lower weight class, because then he would need to cut muscle.

JMM weighing in officially at 135lbs (lean body weight) vs 144lbs on fight night (lean body weight plus water weight) is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than training for a higher weight class, like for welterweight. JMM TRIED TO DO IT...by adding lean body mass to the mayweather fight, but that backfired because his speed was definitely affected. And for you to suggest that JMM simply train for 135lbs in a welterweight fight is also absolutely absurd, because he would be giving his welterweight opponent a HUGE advantage in lean body weight in which power/speed/stamina are all affected. This is why real boxers don't do this, they train and boil down to a certain weight class...if they want to move up, they ADD the lean body mass, not simply train as before and not dehydrate. You get this simple concept now?

Pac is fighting in his prime now, at a weight class he is comfortable with. He can't go back down to 140/135 without cutting muscle. If JMM wants to fight Pac, let him come up (and get knocked the **** out by a much more powerful Manny Pacquiao).

JMM and his supporters calling out Pacquiao to fight at a lower weight class are just plain stupid. That's like Dwight Mohammed Qawi calling out Holyfield for a rematch at Cruiserweight after Holyfield won the heavyweight championship of the world.

 

Again you're missing the point. Kats does not hit or have the strength of a welterweight. It's not the weight itself, it is the conditioning that your body can fight and absorb punishment from fighters from that weight class.

Just because Katsidis may have weighed in 146lbs fight night, doesn't mean he hits and is strong as the likes of Berto or Mosley. Unless you believe he is as big as those two?

Pacquiao's body has now adapted to take punches from bigger fighters, JMM has not.

 

its a helluva lot harder to get away from pacquiao when your carrying an extra 12lbs. marquez isnt used to it so its obviously gonna be a disadvantage!! :deal

 

when they say 147, it means the limit, not necessarily what marquez should weigh. I am dumbfounded by the amount of stupid boxing fans on this board who never understand that, like for example pac didn't even weigh in as a light middleweight for the light middleweight title fight. This fight would be a joke anyway

 

You all sounds like a bunch of bitches at a slimfast meet

****ing ****s.

 

pacquiao "cut" to 144 (he gained weight, 4 pounds, overnight, after the weigh-in...all water)

jmm cut to 135..what he gained overnight was water weight

how is it fair to have pac carrying almost 10 pounds more of muscle into the ring?


even if pac actually cut...say to 140...which he could do, and which is more realistic if he was really cutting, he would still be carrying 5 pounds more muscle than jmm

the irony of this all is pac made his name internationally by beating bigger guys that made weight concessions for the fight, yet he cannot make such a concession

at the smaller weights pac was the bigger guy, and when he "moved up" he made guys drain...he was not much smaller, if at all, than cotto...DLH was a corpse, clottey had the runs ( :rofl ), but margo WAS bigger...and slow and nothing post-plaster


point is, letting pac carry more muscle into the ring will make a difference...and if you don't think it will, you can write to the WBA/WBC/WBO and all the other commissions and sanctioning bodies and tell them to disband the weight divisions since they are obviously nonsense, according to you

 

Pacquiao weighs in at 144 his last fight? Why does it have to be 147 in that case?

Setting the weight as high as possible, gives Pacquiao advantages. He could come in at 148 like Margarito, or 153 like Clottey

If it's say 142, he'd have to come in light

 

Man, you just need to look at basic figures.

Marquez was the exact same in ring weight against Floyd and Juan Diaz

 

What are you talking about?

Manny's entered the ring over 147 in nearly every fight he's had at Welter.

 

He was 4 pounds heavier against Kastidis you muppet!

 

Yeah, because Marquez is just as limited as Hatton isn't he........

You guys need to learn a lesson, before you start betting mortgages on this fight.

Pacquiao's powerful when he hits a guy a lot. When he lands 500 shots. That's why he's matched with guys who are very easy to hit.

He could never land on Marquez. Like 200 shots tops in both fights. Only landed 120 on Clottey.

That's the problem with that match up